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Joanna Robinson Joe, you are a mega expert in this field.

In fact, tell us about the book that you have written about Marvel.

It's so funny because usually I brush off expert, but I do feel like after spending over four

years writing a book about something, I get to claim it.

Yeah, I wrote a book called MCU Cole in The Rain of Marvel Studios.

It's not a Marvel thing. If you don't have a colon in the title.

Yeah, The Rain of Marvel Studios is coming out in November, and we spent over four years

like my co-authors Gavin Edwards and Dayton Zollison, I spent over four years interviewing

over a hundred of people connected to this universe doing

scads of research to try to paint the picture of how Marvel took over Hollywood.

I agree with you that we are in what I like to call a wobble right now.

I would not count Marvel out completely because they have rebounded time and time again.

So I'm not saying they're out, but it definitely feels like the end cap of an era.

Absolutely, this year that we're in right now.

And I think tracking that history of the founding of Marvel Studios, the launch of Iron Man,

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