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The Indicator from Planet Money

Can Europe fund its defense ambitions?

The Indicator from Planet Money

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🗓️ 18 March 2024

⏱️ 12 minutes

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Summary

The majority of European members of NATO are not spending as much on defense as they agreed to. But that may change as the European Union considers a move to a "war economy." Today, we examine what that means and what barriers to a "war economy" look like.

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0:00.0

NPR. This is the indicator from Planet Money, I'm Waylon Wong.

0:14.7

And I'm Patty Hirsch.

0:15.9

Since 2006, member states of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization, or NATO, have agreed to spend at

0:21.4

least 2% of their gross domestic product on defense.

0:24.4

Many, if not most, however, have consistently failed to spend that much.

0:28.9

Instead, the organization has increasingly relied on the United States, which spends way more than 2% on defense.

0:36.6

The U.S. spends about 3.5% in fact.

0:39.8

This shortfall has been noticed by one person in particular.

0:44.2

The NATO countries have to pay up.

0:46.1

They're not paying up.

0:47.4

They're not paying what they should.

0:49.2

And they laugh at the stupidity of the United States of America.

0:53.0

Former President Donald Trump compounded this statement, which he made last month,

0:57.0

by saying that he wouldn't defend a NATO member that didn't pay its way.

1:01.0

And in the past, he's made noises about the US leaving NATO altogether.

1:05.2

Trump is of course the Republican nominee for president, and given the way he's polling right now,

1:10.7

NATO members, which includes most of the European Union, appear to be

1:14.5

taking the prospect of American withdrawal somewhat seriously.

1:18.4

Recently, Terry Bratan, the EU Internal Market Commissioner, proposed that Europe move to a war economy.

1:25.0

A war economy, that sounds pretty serious, but what does the term war economy actually mean?

1:33.0

On today's show, we'll find out what European leaders are thinking about when they talk about a war economy,

1:38.0

what the barriers to creating a war economy are,

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