4.6 • 770 Ratings
🗓️ 1 October 2024
⏱️ 29 minutes
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For decades, department stores were symbols of American retail success, but their shine has long since faded. Overexpansion that began in the 1990s, the growth of e-commerce and the decline of many malls has left a saturated market, with more stores than there is demand. Major department stores have been struggling for decades to adapt to changes in the way their customers shop, with little to show for it.
"These challenges existed ten years ago, but the problem we have today is that it’s getting later and later, and more and more desperate for these department stores. Time is running out, and they still haven’t figured out the solution,” says retail editor Cat Chen.
In this episode of The Debrief, BoF senior correspondent Sheena Butler-Young speaks with Chen about why department stores are struggling to stay relevant, how activist investors are complicating the picture, and whether following the approach of European department stores like Selfridges can save this iconic segment of the retail industry.
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0:00.0 | Hello and welcome to the debrief from the business of fashion, where each week we delve |
0:12.3 | into our most popular B.O.F professional stories with the correspondence who created them. |
0:17.7 | I'm senior correspondent, Sheena Butler Young. For decades, department stores from |
0:22.6 | JCPenney to Macy's to Nordstrom and Saks Fifth Avenue were at the heart of American |
0:27.5 | retail, the ultimate symbol of consumer culture. But today, many are struggling to stay relevant as |
0:33.6 | consumer shopping habits evolve and the online competitors gain ground. |
0:38.2 | In just the past few months, Nordstrom's founding family has made yet another attempt to take the |
0:42.7 | company private. Sacks and Neman Marcus joined forces in a billion dollar deal, and Macy's |
0:48.5 | embarked on its plans to close 150 stores hoping to right-size its business. |
0:53.6 | Joining me today to discuss how department stores are attempting a comeback and whether the odds |
0:58.2 | are in their favor is B-O-F's retail editor Kathleen Chen. |
1:01.8 | Hi, Kat, welcome to the debrief podcast. |
1:04.1 | Hey, Sheena, thanks for having me. |
1:06.0 | So first, I want to zoom out a bit. |
1:08.0 | Kat, do you remember the last time you went to a department store and what you were there looking to buy? Yes, I do, Sheena, because it happens so infrequently. I love this |
1:17.5 | question. I was in Nordstrom a couple months ago hoping to buy some presents for my family ahead of my |
1:26.1 | trip to China in the summer. And I had a wonderful experience, |
1:30.5 | actually. Nordstrom is known for their customer service. I went to their Manhattan store on 57th Street. |
1:37.8 | They have a beautiful beauty hall. And yeah, it was great. I was able to walk out pretty quickly, and they gave me a lot of free samples, too, on top of the things that I purchased. And yeah, overall, nine out of ten. |
1:52.4 | I love that. I actually go to department stores quite frequently. I'm a suburban girl, and I'm also a millennial that was a mall rat back in my day. So I still have an |
2:01.4 | appreciation and a fondness for department stores. I have to say it's been fine for me. It's been |
2:07.0 | fine, but obviously all is not fine. Department stores have contended with claims of existential |
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