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Every day you get in-depth interviews with host Todd Wilkin asking expert guests, substantive, thought-provoking questions on all of the important news and issues of our day.

The expert guests are in culture, law, ethics, philosophy, theology,

and apologetics. Expert guests? Expansive topics. Always extolling Christ. Issues, etc. We live in strange times.

Many, many people believe that the world, even we ourselves,

have been simply the product of random chance,

that we live in essentially a meaningless world where

nothing exists but matter and energy and we're just the product of that. We didn't have to be,

but we are. So how do you take that worldview, which is materialistic and naturalistic,

and how do you live in a world with any kind of moral framework?

Welcome back to Issues, Et cetera. I'm Todd Wilkin, joining us to answer the question,

can Darwinism support morality? Dr. Doug Groteheis, he's distinguished university research

professor of apologetics and Christian worldview at Cornerstone University in Grand Rapids, Michigan.

He's author of several books, including Beyond the Wager, The Christian Brilliance of Blaise Pascal,

and a recent column for Solvo titled Escape from the Acid Bath. Dr. Grode Heist, welcome back.

Thank you. It's good to be here. Why does any worldview have to account for morality?

Well, morality is just intrinsic to human life. We often ask ourselves whether an action is right or wrong, whether a person is moral or immoral. And at the societal level, when we think

about laws, we consider whether laws are just or unjust. And you have the phenomena of the

human conscience. We reflect on our own thoughts and actions and evaluate

what we are thinking and what we are doing. So a worldview is a basic account of existence

in our place within it. And if it doesn't give an adequate account of morality, if it somehow is weak in that area or dissolves morality,

then that's extremely deleterious to any worldview. I'd say no worldview that cannot account

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