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Can A Long-Shot Candidate Beat Donald Trump?

Radio Atlantic

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Politics, News, Society & Culture

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🗓️ 12 April 2019

⏱️ 41 minutes

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Summary

The crowded race for the Democratic nomination includes both frontrunners and long-shots, but how do we know which is which? Some big names have trailed in fundraising and polls. And some written off early have found surprising support. On this week’s Radio Atlantic, Isaac Dovere is joined by one of the biggest long-shot successes in recent Democratic politics: Howard Dean. The former Vermont governor was an unlikely frontrunner for the presidency, but for a time in the 2004 race, he was the man to beat. Dean talks about what it was like to go from long-shot to frontrunner—and what it’s like to have it all fall apart. He recalls how his 2004 campaign was animated (and perhaps limited) by anger at President Bush. Now, Dean warns Democrats against falling into the same trap with Donald Trump. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

You! Oh, Hi Radio Atlantic listeners, this is Isaac Dauver, staff writer here at the Atlantic.

0:37.0

You've heard me a couple of times as a guest on the show, but with Alex out on maternity leave,

0:41.2

I'm stepping in to the host chair this week.

0:44.3

So my main beat at the Atlantic is covering the 2020 Democratic primary race, which means that I spend

0:49.0

a lot of time talking to all the people running chasing them all over Iowa, New Hampshire,

0:54.0

thinking about them when I get back to Washington, and trying to make sense of it all.

0:58.0

It's a lot.

0:59.0

More of my life, I assume, than it is many of yours.

1:02.0

But the one thing that everyone knows

1:04.3

about the Democratic race right now is that many people are running. 18 already

1:09.6

and another half dozen or so it seems like about to get in.

1:13.0

An obsession of mine is that we don't know who counts as a front runner or a long shot at this point

1:19.5

or who's in what tier, the top tier, second tier. It's really early and already the polling is

1:26.0

very fluid and what we've seen from the fundraising numbers is that Pete Budajudge, the

1:30.9

South Bend Indiana Mayor, who's getting a lot of attention these days but

1:34.6

who most people still in their gut assume can't win. Well he raised more money

1:39.2

for more people than Elizabeth Warren, Cori Booker, or anyone else other than Bernie Sanders,

1:44.0

Kamla Harris, or Beto Arork. And Arook of course is a guy who lost a Senate race

1:49.8

last year. Before that, three-term congressman from Texas wasn't very well known.

1:55.0

And all of a sudden we think of him as a top-tier candidate, but seriously,

2:00.0

most of these people aren't going to win or come close to winning.

2:05.0

But I'm telling you for almost all, if not all of them, they really believe that there's a way

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