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Hey, what's going on? This is Rad with software, radio, and I am super pumped today. First of all, I'm in London celebrating the Jubilee for the Queen, and I'm getting ready to go over to Normandy and try to check out Dunkirk, but my guest.

Let's talk about my guest. I have Cameron Haynes. He has wrote the book Endure. Keep hammering, hammering away. I want to welcome you, Cameron, to software, radio, and to our listeners out there. Welcome.

Thank you. Well, it's good to be here. Good to meet you. I'm pumped to have a nice discussion.

Yeah, exactly. Let's just jump into it. Let's talk about your grandma. I'm reading your book. Thanks for getting that over to me. I'm a mama's boy and a grandma's boy. Tell me how much love you have for her and putting into that first backcountry book of yours where you had to repaid her. Tell me.

Yeah, no, I did. She, I don't know, you know how grandma's are. I mean, if you're lucky enough to have a grandma, I had two of them. Actually, they were both super supportive. One was a school teacher. The one you're referring to is my grandma Ruby. She's the one who loaned me money for my first book, gave me $15,000.

She paid her back, but she was always, I don't know, I mean, I just would go work on the ranch over there so my grandpa is very hard. She was always like that supportive, but she was very tough too. She's part Indian, just hard work in Oklahoma ranch person that moved me to Oregon. And so she was supportive, always loved me, always supported me, but still tough and her own right.

I love that you brought you call her out and that you said that you paid back family and it's kind of a thing where families like, hey, can you loan me? It's like, yeah, where's that back? And you did that, but I think that when you start to hit on your book, your book has a couple of different titles to me. May I endure is what you chose and I love that, but I also think passion would be a good novel or a name for your book also solitude.

You're a good name for your book, but endure, you have to endure, you know, all this passion inside yourself to put it out there and, you know, you put it into writing at a young age, you talk about that and and then you brought it into these, these books where you're talking, you're like, hey, I'm not telling you really, I don't want to tell you all about the book, I want you to go buy the book and check it out, right, because I could sit here and just spit all of it back at you, but, you know, to tease my listener, you know, you're like, I'm not telling you what to do.

Right. But yeah, you know, and I love that point of view.

Yeah, that's been my whole thing, still even today, I still struggle with, you know, feeling worthy, feeling I do get a lot of attention now on this, this book is actually, I didn't really even know if it was going to be good.

I actually was reading this book, like doing that, the audio, I'm not an audio guy, it's what you do, so I mean, you're great at it.

But I'm, I hate being on podcasts, I hate, I like hosting a podcast, like what you're doing because, right, if I'm expected to be the interesting person, I'm like, oh boy, I just don't like it.

I like talking interesting people, but it is, it's like, so I was doing the audio for this book and I was reading and I was like, is this book even good?

I mean, of course, everybody thinks that their story is interesting, right? I mean, everybody has this big, whatever I came from this, I overcame that and everybody's got these whites, why they're special, everybody thinks they're special.

And I'm like, am I just, is that me now? I think that people are going to care, why would people care about what I've done?

So I've struggled with just wondering whether I've done anything noteworthy because, you know, I've, I've trained with like a Gogans or Olympians or these UFC fighters and I'm like, well, that's very measurable.

You went to the Olympics, you are a special human, right? I've never done anything. So I trained with them. I haven't done anything though.

But the point, I think what I'm seeing now with the reviews on the book and, and all the messages from people is like, it's given the average person, which that's what I say, I am hope that they can maybe achieve something special.

Maybe, maybe a whole business lost and because they're not seeing themselves on TV or they're maybe they're not going to the Olympics or maybe they're not.

That still doesn't mean that if year after year, decade after decade, just putting in work, you can't have success and stand out in your own way.

And so that's the moral to the story, really.

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