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From KQED in San Francisco, this is Forum. I'm Mina Kim.

A new legislative analyst's office report describes California's unemployment system as broken.

The state is already $20 billion in debt to the federal government for unemployment claims paid during the pandemic,

with no real plan to cover the cost of ongoing claims even after the debt is paid.

Meantime, the Employment Development Department

continues to deal with fraud

and delays processing benefits.

Cal Matters investigative reporter

Lauren Hepler joins us

to break down the state's unemployment system, CalMatters had just published her investigative report about California's Employment Development Department,

how during the pandemic, the agency managed to pay out tens of billions of dollars in fraudulent unemployment claims,

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