Hi, I'm Zibi Owens, and this is Moms Don't Have Time to Read Books.

As a mom of four kids in New York City and a writer myself, I know all too well how short everyone is on time, so I'm here to help.

I'm going to interview authors and writers of all types about their work, especially as it

relates to parenting and family issues. Hopefully you can listen while doing 8 million other

things and fall in love with these talented scribes in their fantastic books, essays, and songs

like I have, plus get some tips on surviving parenthood.

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I'm here today with Cachlan Macy, who's an amazing novelist, a Yale graduate with an MFA from Columbia.

Cachlan has contributed to the New Yorker, the New York Times Magazine, and O. The Oprah Magazine,

among others. Her three books called The Fundamentals of Play, Spoiled, which are stories,

and now her recent release, Mrs. have received enormous praise. She lives in Manhattan

with her husband and two daughters. So welcome to Kaswyn. Thank you so much for having me.

So just to jump right in, in the description on your website of your collection of stories

called Spoiled, you say you turn an unsparing eye on affluent and educated women

who nevertheless struggle to keep their footing in their relationships in life.

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