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The Good Fight

Caitlin Flanagan on Free Speech and America’s Future

The Good Fight

Yascha Mounk

News

4.7963 Ratings

🗓️ 9 October 2021

⏱️ 58 minutes

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Caitlin Flanagan, a staff writer at The Atlantic, is one of America's most incisive essayists. In her articles about a wide range of topics including modern motherhood, the politics of higher education, and the state of the abortion debate, she skewers consensus views with her trademark wit.   In this week’s conversation, Caitlin Flanagan and Yascha Mounk discuss her coming-of-age in 1960s Berkeley, the evolution of freedom of speech, and whether America has a future. This transcript has been condensed and lightly edited for clarity. Please do listen and spread the word about The Good Fight. If you have not yet signed up for our podcast, please do so now by following this link on your phone. Email: podcast@persuasion.community  Website: http://www.persuasion.community Podcast production by John T. Williams, and Brendan Ruberry Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Connect with us! Spotify | Apple | Google Twitter: @Yascha_Mounk & @joinpersuasion Youtube: Yascha Mounk LinkedIn: Persuasion Community Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Go to Economist.com and get your first month free. And the And now the good fight with Yasha Monk.

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Hi everyone, I'm Sahilhanda and I am a contributing editor at Persuasion. I wrote a piece recently called the

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liberalism in our institutions and it was basically my attempt to diagnose why as I see it mainstream once liberal institutions like Harvard

1:20.1

and the New York Times etc have taken a turn towards appealing a kind of fanatical I guess we would call it woke base and why they're kind of doing the actions that they are that we all tend to

1:33.5

decline in publications like ours. And I think counter to what a lot of people on say

1:39.2

our side of the so-called culture awards like to say, I don't think that it's simply because these two

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organizations are stupid and spineless. I think more it's a matter of the

1:52.1

incentive structures that are facing them today.

1:54.8

With publications I think that's an outcome of business model.

1:58.2

I think the internet has made it such that the most viable path to sustainability for any large publication is a subscription model.

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Or really any publication is a subscription model and that means that it places the journalist more at the mercy of those who are paying for the

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publication rather than in the past when it was kind of advertisers compensating all of the writers.

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And then in higher ed, I think it's really the admissions process has entirely changed

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