Hello and welcome to episode 22 of the Slow Home podcast. My name is Brooke McCallory and I will be your

host today. This guy's name is Benjamin McCallory and he will be your co-host.

22, feeling blue. Not really. This is a good episode, isn't it? It's a great episode.

You speak to Kate Flanders about, well, essentially getting out of debt, I guess.

And what she did over a 12 or 24-month period.

About two years.

It took her to get out of about $30,000 of consumer debt.

Huge.

So that's credit, basically credit card debt.

Yeah.

Man, I envy her.

It's actually a really powerful story, I think, because basically, and I don't want to give too much

of our conversation away, but Kate worked really hard to get herself out of debt over a couple

of years and then found what she calls lifestyle inflation creeping back in, like her spending

started to increase.

And, you know, she started maybe wasting money on things or experiences that she didn't need to be.

And it was kind of there that I realized that that's a really pretty universal story.

I know a lot of people who will work really hard to maybe regain a financial footing.

And then once they become comfortable again, you slip back into old habits.

I know we've been there. I know a lot of people have been there. So it was a really cool

conversation. What I enjoyed particularly was what she did to stop that and to combat that.

She kind of, well, she put herself on a shopping ban. And from there, she discovered minimalism.

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