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today on the program. We're going to talk with basically the nicest guy at the

New York Times who is also become the most hated person at the New York second

most hated person of the York Times by the tech industry. You could tell by

my laughter that I'm joking. Kate Metz is back on the program because it's got a new

book out. He's got a new book out and because he did a little story that went

somewhat viral and we should just get into it. It struck a nerve. That's the way

I think. So you've been on the pod before. I know you as an intelligent,

considered kind. There I say soft spoken intellectual. You wrote a piece about

Slate Star codex which I've heard of exactly prior to your whole Bruhaha and

the Donnie Brook that ensued. I think I'd heard about them maybe four times from

the Peter Tio, you know, A16z. I don't know what you call those dark web kind of

thinkers libertarian. I don't know. There are a lot of names for it and that's

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