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All right, ladies and gentlemen on today's podcast we have the best selling author of duct tape marketing from it.

Maybe you're out there listening and you're familiar with duct tape selling.

Maybe you're familiar with the duct tape marketing podcast.

This is one of the early podcasters.

He didn't join the podcast game after the conversation had got going.

He didn't join after the bandwagon had already taken off.

This guy was a trailblazer, one of the original business podcasters and Dr. Z had a rare opportunity to sit down with John to interview him about processes.

I think processes are something that a lot of people might say a show about processes.

This is the brass tax stuff.

This is the stuff that holds a business together.

Absolutely, and he handled that question just really well.

When that would be fun to get him to come into one of our in-person workshops and talk.

That would be the move.

You can make that happen.

You can tell he's real.

You can tell he's a real person.

He's our tribe.

He just speaks the same language successfully.

He knows it and teaches it.

He teaches coaches.

That's for the kind of cool.

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