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Bunkers unbusted: Israel and Iran

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The Economist

News & Politics, News

4.44.9K Ratings

🗓️ 16 June 2025

⏱️ 23 minutes

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Summary

So far, Israel’s strikes have not accomplished the stated mission of crippling Iran’s nuclear programme. A war of endurance will be decided by which side runs out of materiel first. South Asia has not been heating up as fast as other regions—thanks in part to its notorious pollution. And a close listen to the music-production genius of the late Brian Wilson. 


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0:00.0

The Economist.

0:10.3

Hello and welcome to the intelligence from The Economist.

0:13.9

I'm Rosie Bloor.

0:15.3

And I'm Jason Palmer.

0:16.8

Every weekday, we provide a fresh perspective on the events shaping your world.

0:25.6

Over the past 40 years, South Asia has warmed far more slowly than any other part of the world.

0:31.6

Researchers are now questioning whether one surprising reason for this could be pollution.

0:38.2

And you could describe the Beach Boys songs, co-written by the late Brian Wilson, as one-dimensional, breezy pop.

0:45.3

But our correspondent digs deeper, finding many more musical dimensions beneath the humable melodies.

1:01.5

Yeah. beneath the homable melodiesvers backing up, car alarms and mainly house alarms of the shops and homes that were destroyed here.

1:32.2

Anshilfeffer is our Israel correspondent and has been in Tel Aviv this morning,

1:36.3

looking at some of the housing hit by Iranian missiles.

1:39.5

Around me, a lot of Tel Avivians have come to have a look.

1:43.0

Some of them are even still holding their plastic cups of coffee or juice.

1:48.0

It's a rather bizarre feeling of both people trying to go about their lives,

1:55.0

but also to survey the wreckage here.

2:06.0

The feeling getting from people here on the street isn't one of hysteria panic. The expectation was actually much worse that in the war with Iran, the amount of missiles

2:12.7

which would hit Tel Aviv and other parts of central Israel would come also from Lebanon and from Hezbollah,

2:18.5

and more missiles would have got through Israel's defense systems.

2:23.8

I'm not saying that people here are happy about what's happening.

2:26.3

There is a sort of stoic feeling of it could have been much worse.

2:32.8

Both Israel and Iran have spent decades thinking about and planning the missile and air war that is now taking place.

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