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🗓️ 14 May 2025
⏱️ 47 minutes
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Donald Trump blinked, as many people suspected he would. This week, he reduced the embargo-level tariffs he imposed on China a month ago, and did so unilaterally. So in exchange for a month-long crisis, a still-looming supply shortage, lost jobs, and lost wealth, we got nothing! But Trump’s supporters are all too ready to cover for him.
In this episode, Matt and Brian discuss:
* What does Trump’s reversal mean for the economy in the near and medium term?
* Will his army of propagandists be able to sell his flailing as a “win,” and, thus, blunt the political consequences of his economic mismanagement?
* Would Democrats be better off if their grassroots were similarly cult like, or is Trump’s “superpower” actually a big weakness, both for the GOP and the country?
Then, behind the paywall, how should Democrats think about the damage Trump is doing, not just in the trade realm but across government? It’s (apparently) easy to tweak tariff rates, but much harder to convince trading partners that we’re trustworthy. Could this be a basis for Democratic opposition? Should Democrats unify behind a general promise to reconstitute the government Trump broke, and rebuild global faith in the United States? Or are technical questions surrounding how to rebuild destined to leave the party mired in infighting?
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Further reading:
* Matt on Trump rediscovering the virtues of the Trans-Pacific Partnership, and how he succeeds politically by claiming credit for renegotiating shittier versions of deals he broke in the past.
* Adam Serwer: “The Coronavirus Was an Emergency Until Trump Found Out Who Was Dying.”
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0:00.0 | George W. Bush came into office and he used his discretion to divert resources away from |
0:04.5 | anti-terrorism, and I think it was towards counterintelligence. And then there was a huge terrorist |
0:09.5 | attack in the United States, and they undid that. No, pornography. Oh, is it pornography? |
0:14.0 | Hey, everyone, you're listening to a free preview of the politics podcast. This week, Trump blinked, as a lot of people suspected he would, and reduced the embargo-level tariffs he'd imposed on China a month ago. In exchange for a month-long crisis, a still-looming supply shortage, lost jobs, lost wealth. We got |
0:41.3 | nothing. So we're basically right back where we started and may be poised to do it all over |
0:47.1 | again. But Trump supporters are all too ready to cover for him and help him sweep this |
0:53.6 | embarrassing mess under the rug. |
0:55.8 | So what do we make of this Trump superpower? And what, if any, lessons does it contain |
1:01.1 | for how Democrats should oppose him or go about rebuilding when he's gone? We'll get to those |
1:07.4 | questions and more in this episode. If you want to hear the whole conversation, you can upgrade your subscription to paid at |
1:12.1 | politics.fm. |
1:18.7 | Hey, everyone. |
1:19.5 | Welcome to the politics podcast. |
1:20.8 | I'm Brian Boyler. |
1:22.0 | I'm Matthew Geis. |
1:23.6 | So the trade war's over for 90 days. |
1:27.0 | And it's like, I mean, I think if he had just done this where we're at now on day one, |
1:33.1 | everyone would have just called it a trade war because that's basically what it is. |
1:37.8 | Well, actually, it's worth talking about, right? |
1:40.5 | Because so when Liberation Day happened, like one take that was flying |
1:47.9 | around was like, I mean, both from like Trump fans and from critics was like, this is what he |
1:54.5 | ran on, you know, as like Magabusterism or like, you know, he told us he was going to do this and |
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