All right, Shane. We're live. We had technical difficulties that were my fault. How's he going, man? Everything good?

I'm going great. Dude, I'm not mad at the technical difficulties because it's almost like you come back on the second time. You're like, I feel more comfortable now.

I feel like we have some time to chat. Now we're like, now we're buddies, we're good.

We're ready to get the show rolled.

Do you watch the office or have you ever watched the office?

Oh, yeah.

Yeah, like three times. You know when Michael, like, Pam will give him a second chance before he gets on the phone with someone because he's the first time.

Yeah, that's exactly.

I feel like how this is. So you were saying you're in Chicago now.

You did grow up in Michigan.

And then you're like, it's important to go into, like for someone to live in a big city at some point in your life.

So now you're, you had lived in San Francisco for an internship, but that was only a few months.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Now we're back here full time.

And it's, yeah, yeah. Now we're back here full-time, and it's good. I feel like you're forced

to meet new people, even just getting around town, like in Michigan, it's like get in the car,

go where you need to go to Chicago. It's like, if you want to get in the car, you've got to get

through traffic, you've got to figure out all this stuff. And you figure out how the bus works. of people for a lot of people that type of thing is like really challenging and it's actually some like a

good challenge for people to go through i think yeah i've had you to 100% come here and they like

they get stressed out about the google maps because it's like there's a lot of tunnels you might get

lost and something as small as that i feel like it's just good for your human development to get

through something like that i agree i think it's it's important to have both. I think like to at some point in your

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