Hello and welcome to another episode of I Way with Jermina Jamel, a podcast against shame.

I hope you enjoyed today's episode. It's one that's about the kind of holistic approach,

not only the holistic, but a lot about the holistic approach to mental health. And it is

with the lovely Zach Williams, who was the son of Robin Williams, who was one of the

great comedy actors and just general actors of our time. And he tragically took his life

a few years ago and Zach, because of that, has been, I guess, inspired to make advocacy

around mental health, his cause in life and unexpectedly found great solace and comfort

in doing so and great purpose in doing so. And he's even created an entire company around

mental health. And it is his, and I mean this in the most positive way, his crusade in life

having grown up with his own mental health issues and watching his dad suffer and then

watching his dad lose his life to suicide. And so it was really cool to have a chat with

someone who has really seen it all and been through the mill themselves and who has pulled

themselves out, who is still in the process of pulling themselves out with such transparency

and who's willing to share all the little things, the tips and tricks that he has used

to be able to find peace and solace. And this is via research and via the help of experts

and people he's had access to. And a lot of these things that we talk about sound incredibly

obvious, because it's shit that we hear in soundvites every so often online. But there's

no real societal emphasis on implementing those simple things because, you know, there's

a lot of money to be made when we're sick. So we have a society that doesn't really,

it sort of shames us when we're not feeling very well, but doesn't actually give us tangible

steps as to how to pull ourselves out or how to prevent it. And I don't mean to sound

like a conspiracy theorist there, but we all know how this shit works and how capitalism

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