Hi, I'm Amy Sandler, the host of the Radical Candor podcast.

And we're back with another radically candid conversation.

This week, Kim is speaking with Annie Jean-Baptiste.

She's the head of product inclusion at Google, an author of the new book, Building for Everyone.

Expand your market with design practices from Google's product inclusion team.

It is my very great honor to share with you all a conversation between myself and Annie Jean-Baptiste.

Annie had a meteoric rise at Google, and I got to know Annie when she volunteered to help me make sure that the next book that I'm writing is more inclusive.

And Annie, you made my book so much better, so thank you. And I don't think I've said this to you yet, but my college roommate was also on that document.

She called me and she said, who is that?

Who is that? Annie?

She's so smart.

You really need to listen to what she says.

So thank you.

Well, no, thank you.

I was honored to do it.

And that's a really big compliment.

So I appreciate it.

I don't know if most listeners understand how hard what you did at Google was.

Not only did you get promoted very, very quickly, you also moved from sales to product,

which almost no one has been able to do.

So tell us a little bit about your role at Google, and then I want to jump into your

book, which you're about to publish. Sure. So I started at Google, I'm in the global

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