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🗓️ 25 June 2025
⏱️ 38 minutes
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0:00.0 | We wrote our first lines of code 10 weeks ago. |
0:02.3 | We're like earlier than the latest YC batch of companies, |
0:05.5 | yet we're like generating probably more revenue than every single one of them. |
0:08.5 | It's been so hard to pierce through the noise of everything in the AI, |
0:13.3 | especially for the consumer facing, pursuers facing. |
0:15.8 | To do that consistently is actually way harder, near impossible. |
0:20.4 | I heard someone call it RIS Marketing, which is a compliment. |
0:22.6 | They're like, I hate this Riz marketing. |
0:24.6 | AI is so magical. We like built the digital god, locked it in a chat bot. |
0:29.6 | Six months ago, some random college kid in a dorm, and now I feel like I'm at the center of the tech universe. |
0:35.6 | What happens when a founder treats virality not as a tactic but as the product? |
0:41.5 | Roy Lee, co-founder and CEO of Cluley, is either a generational entrepreneur or a walking internet |
0:46.6 | experiment, maybe both. |
0:48.7 | In just a few months, he's built one of the most talked about startups in tech, not with |
0:52.7 | a massive fundraise or a polished product suite, but through relentless short-form content, polarizing stunts, and a translucent |
0:59.1 | AI overlay that feels more like performance art than interface. Joining me today is Roy, along with |
1:04.6 | Brian Kim, who led A16Z's investment in Cluele. We talk about Roy's approach to building in |
1:09.7 | public, what Gen Z understands |
1:11.5 | about attention that tech still doesn't, and why momentum might be the new moat in consumer AI. |
1:16.5 | This is a conversation about distribution as design, founder market fit at internet speed, |
1:21.1 | and what happens when you stop trying to be professional and start trying to win. Let's get into it. |
1:27.4 | As a reminder, the content here is for informational purposes only. Should not be taken and start trying to win. Let's get into it. |
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