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The Politics Guys

Budget Battles, Agency Overhaul, and the Limits of Dissent

The Politics Guys

Michael Baranowski

Politics, News

4.5 • 772 Ratings

🗓️ 24 May 2025

⏱️ 62 minutes

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Summary

Justin and Ken start by digging into the passage of the so-called “big, beautiful budget bill”—a sweeping House measure with far-reaching fiscal and policy implications. Justin highlights the political maneuvering and procedural oddities that defined the bill’s passage, while Ken offers a critical breakdown of its contents, deficit impact, and the dramatic tradeoffs between tax cuts and program cuts. Both note the bill’s likely downstream effects on Medicaid recipients, rural healthcare, SNAP benefits, and America’s clean energy future, with Ken emphasizing the unprecedented deficit expansion and Justin focusing on the political optics and the challenge for Democrats to frame the debate.   Next, the hosts turn to a landmark—and controversial—Supreme Court shadow docket decision, which summarily overturned decades of precedent on the independence of federal agencies. Ken explains the legal mechanics and historical context behind the decision, warning that the Court’s use of emergency orders for major constitutional shifts undermines process and stability. Justin, meanwhile, explores the practical consequences, especially the tactic of disabling regulatory agencies by denying them a quorum, and what this might signal for the future balance of power in government. The episode closes with an examination of the highly publicized arrest of Newark mayor Ras Baraka and Congresswoman LaMonica McIver at an ICE protest. Justin and Ken both condemn the actions as heavy-handed and chilling, discussing how federal overreach in this context threatens principles of federalism, separation of powers, and civil dissent. Ken draws a line to broader Department of Justice trends, while Justin stresses the real personal and financial costs inflicted on those targeted by such arrests. The Politics Guys on Facebook | X Mike’s Substack: What Fresh Hell is This? Listener support helps make The Politics Guys possible. You can support us or change your level of support at patreon.com/politicsguys or politicsguys.com/support. On Venmo, we’re @PoliticsGuys. The Politics Guys is part of The Democracy Group, a network of podcasts that examines what's broken in our democracy and how we can work together to fix it. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

Atheists, agnostics, long-haired widows, short-haired widows, vandal, hooligans.

0:05.2

I love the government, hug the government, hug the government, love, the government, hug the government.

0:12.0

Welcome to the politics, guys, a place for bipartisan, rational, and civil debate on American politics and policy.

0:18.8

I am Justin Holmes, professor of political Science at the University of Northern Iowa,

0:22.7

and I am joined today by Professor Ken Katkin from the Chase College of Law at Northern Kentucky

0:28.3

University.

0:29.8

Before we get started, Michael wanted us to pass on that we are kind of in the process of

0:35.4

potentially bringing on a couple more conservatives.

0:39.6

Michael has contacted a few of them.

0:41.8

And they're going to be stepping up over the next couple weeks to guest host with a few

0:46.8

of us and hopefully try to work some of those folks in.

0:51.4

So anyhow, Ken, welcome.

0:53.7

Good talking to you. Yeah, it's great to be back,

0:56.3

and this is our first time doing the show together, so I hope we can maintain the standard.

1:00.7

It is, it is. Well, I think we'll give it the old college try. So. Yeah. So the first story we were

1:07.2

going to talk about today, it was big news all week. It probably should have been big news

1:11.0

last week, but it dragged out was the big beautiful budget bill that finally got enacted about,

1:19.6

oh, not actually enacted, just passed by the House of Representatives about five days after it was

1:24.7

expected to in a kind of drawn out drama. And the final,

1:30.1

the final push towards getting it voted started it at 1 a.m. and I think they had actually hoped

1:35.8

to vote it in the middle of the night when no one was paying attention. But even then it dragged

1:39.4

out into into the next morning. But now we have at least least from the house, a big, beautiful budget bill.

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