BTC256: Bitcoin Market Sentiment and Liquidity Cycles w/ Andy Edstrom (Bitcoin Podcast)

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Stig Brodersen

Education, Investing, Business

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🗓️ 10 December 2025

⏱️ 65 minutes

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Andy and Preston explore the turbulent world of Bitcoin treasury companies, from MicroStrategy’s bold plays to sector-wide risks and poor performance. They dive into Bitcoin-backed stablecoins, valuation models, and adoption barriers. The episode wraps with discussions on energy, AI, and whether Bitcoin's market cycles are evolving toward stability or fresh volatility. IN THIS EPISODE YOU’LL LEARN: 00:00:00 - Intro 00:01:43 - Why many Bitcoin treasury companies have underperformed or failed 00:03:34 - How MicroStrategy’s debt profile compares to its market cap and cash flow 00:06:59 - The concept of Bitcoin-backed stablecoins and their over-collateralization 00:08:58 - Key solvency risks in stablecoin issuance and Bitcoin securitization 00:14:46 - How valuation frameworks like MNAV apply to Bitcoin treasuries 00:19:26 - Limitations of MicroStrategy stock vs. holding Bitcoin directly 00:26:09 - Why Bitcoin adoption is hindered by complexity and public perception 00:29:18 - Andy’s diversified investment strategy beyond Bitcoin 00:32:45 - How emerging AI and EV technologies intersect with financial trends 00:42:39 - Market cycle insights and predictions for Bitcoin’s future price Disclaimer: Slight discrepancies in the timestamps may occur due to podcast platform differences. BOOKS AND RESOURCES Andy Edstrom’s Book: Why Buy Bitcoin: Investing Today in the Money of Tomorrow. X Account: Andy Edstrom. Check out all the books mentioned and discussed in our podcast episodes ⁠⁠⁠⁠here⁠⁠⁠. Enjoy ad-free episodes when you subscribe to our ⁠⁠⁠⁠Premium Feed⁠⁠⁠⁠. NEW TO THE SHOW? Join the exclusive ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠TIP Mastermind Community⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ to engage in meaningful stock investing discussions with Stig, Clay, Kyle, and the other community members. Follow our official social media accounts: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠X (Twitter)⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ | ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠LinkedIn⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ | | ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Instagram⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ | ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Facebook⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ | ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠TikTok⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠. Check out our ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Bitcoin Fundamentals Starter Packs⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠. Browse through all our episodes (complete with transcripts) ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠here⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠. Try our tool for picking stock winners and managing our portfolios: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠TIP Finance Tool⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠. Enjoy exclusive perks from our ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠favorite Apps and Services⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠. Get smarter about valuing businesses in just a few minutes each week through our newsletter, ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠The Intrinsic Value Newsletter⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠. Learn how to better start, manage, and grow your business with the ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠best business podcasts⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠. SPONSORSSupport our free podcast by supporting our sponsors: Simple Mining Human Rights Foundation Unchained HardBlock Linkedin Talent Solutions Public.com - see the full disclaimer here. Amazon Ads Alexa+ Shopify Vanta Onramp Abundant Mines Horizon Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Support our show by becoming a premium member! https://theinvestorspodcastnetwork.supportingcast.fm

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0:00.0	You're listening to TIP.
0:02.7	Hey everyone, welcome to this Wednesday's release of the Bitcoin Fundamentals podcast.
0:06.7	Today we're diving into the negative sentiment we've seen in the past quarter in the Bitcoin
0:10.9	space and to start off that conversation, we're diving deep into Bitcoin treasury companies,
0:15.7	why so many are failing and why some might still be different.
0:18.6	And I'm joined by Andy Edstrom and we unpack
0:21.2	everything from Bitcoin back stable coins and securitization risk to market cycles, valuation
0:26.6	models, and whether Bitcoin is still the best long-term savings technology. We also explore
0:31.3	what might be quickly happening behind the scenes with central banks, how AI and energy
0:35.7	trends are reshaping investment strategies, and what all of
0:38.8	this means for you as an investor.
0:40.8	It's a packed episode, so let's go ahead and dive in.
0:47.2	Celebrating 10 years.
0:49.0	You are listening to Bitcoin Fundamentals by the Investors Podcast Network.
0:53.8	Now for your host, Preston Pish.
1:05.2	Hey, everyone.
1:06.1	Welcome back to the show.
1:07.2	I've got Andy Edstrom, the one and only, back here to talk all things, finance
1:12.4	and Bitcoin and macro and the whole gambit. So Andy, welcome back to the show.
1:17.6	Listen, it's always great to be with you. Likewise. And where you wanted to talk when I
1:22.8	briefly chatting with you before we decided to do the show is you wanted to do a post-mortem
1:28.3	on treasury companies and really kind of get into some of this because it's really kind of
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