Hey everyone it's Jonathan Cape Heart and welcome to Cape Up.

I know Too Long didn't read as a thing, but I bet too long didn't listen as a thing too.

So we've taken my hour-long sit-down with Brian Stevenson about the lynching memorial

and Legacy Museum opening in Montgomery, Alabama in giving you about 15 minutes or so of it.

Have a listen.

In this country, after 9-11, we didn't say the people who perpetrated that act were criminals.

We don't treat them like criminals.

We said they were terrorists. They don't have the rights that people accused of crimes have. They've been held in spaces.

The courts have not given them the same protections.

And we don't typically go to war in response to crime.

We have gone to war in response to terror.

And no one thinks that the perpetrators of that horrific act were just trying to kill the people working in the World Trade Towers.

This was designed to terrorize our nation, to cause all of us to feel fear and insecurity.

And that's what terrorism does, and that's exactly what was happening to African Americans

from the end of reconstruction until the 1950s. And it's why this kind of violence requires particular attention.

In talking about terror and terrorism and the fact that you had people watching these lynchings, in some cases up to more than 10,000 people.

We've seen pictures of people posing, smiling underneath a lynched person.

Where is the accountability for those people who are in those photos who watched what happened. Is there any

way to hold them accountable even in some moral sense?

Well, I think it's a really important question.

I mean, I think, Jonathan, you've gotten to the heart

of why we're trying to do what we do.

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