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Bryan Kohberger: Connecting The Idaho College Murders, Heroin Addiction & Dark Triad Traits with FBI Special Agent Jonathan T Gilliam – Ask Dr. Drew – Episode 167

Ask Dr. Drew

Dr. Drew

Health & Fitness, News Commentary, News, Politics

4.7759 Ratings

🗓️ 15 January 2023

⏱️ 89 minutes

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Summary

On November 13, 2022, four college students from the University of Idaho were stabbed to death in their home. Following weeks of investigations, police in Moscow, Idaho, charged 28-year-old Bryan Kohberger for the murders of Madison Mogen, Kaylee Goncalves, Xana Kernodle, and Ethan Chapin. Jonathan T. Gilliam – former US Navy SEAL, FBI Special Agent, author, speaker, and host of The Experts podcast – discusses the case LIVE on Ask Dr. Drew. Follow Gilliam at twitter.com/JGilliam_SEAL The allegations are startling: that Bryan Kohberger stalked his victims at restaurant Seven Sirens Brewery; that Kohberger had a past heroin addiction and may have been intoxicated when he committed the murders; that despite his degrees in Psychology and Criminal Justice, and attention to hiding traces of his crimes, Bryan made many “stupid” mistakes like leaving behind a knife sheath and DNA; that the killer’s face was seen by a survivor as he was leaving the home. ABOUT JONATHAN T. GILLIAM Jonathan T. Gilliam grew up in the Ozarks mountains of north Arkansas and graduated from the University of Arkansas at Little Rock with a BA double major in Political Science and Psychology. He served in an undercover role as a Federal Air Marshal. From 2005-2013, Gilliam served with the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) as a Special Agent in the New York Office on criminal and counterterrorism squads. Since leaving the FBI, Gilliam has served as a Security and Crisis Management consultant and director of security for a major country music tour as well as personal protection for other high-level celebrities. Gilliam’s first book “Sheep No More: The Art Of Awareness And Attack Survival” debuted at the top of Amazon’s Best Seller List. Find more at https://www.jonathantgilliam.com/ NOTE: All suspects are considered innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. Any opinions expressed within this program are solely the author’s and may not reflect the opinions or beliefs of the producers. 「 SPONSORED BY 」 • BIRCH GOLD - Don’t let your savings lose value. You can own physical gold and silver in a tax-sheltered retirement account, and Birch Gold will help you do it. Claim your free, no obligation info kit from Birch Gold at https://birchgold.com/drew • GENUCEL - Using a proprietary base formulated by a pharmacist, Genucel has created skincare that can dramatically improve the appearance of facial redness and under-eye puffiness. Genucel uses clinical levels of botanical extracts in their cruelty-free, natural, made-in-the-USA line of products. Get 10% off with promo code DREW at https://genucel.com/drew 「 MEDICAL NOTE 」 The CDC states that COVID-19 vaccines are safe, effective, and reduce your risk of severe illness. Hundreds of millions of people have received a COVID-19 vaccine, and serious adverse reactions are uncommon. Dr. Drew is a board-certified physician and Dr. Kelly Victory is a board-certified emergency specialist. Portions of this program will examine countervailing views on important medical issues. You should always consult your personal physician before making any decisions about your health.  「 ABOUT the SHOW 」 Ask Dr. Drew is produced by Kaleb Nation (https://kalebnation.com) and Susan Pinsky (https://twitter.com/firstladyoflove). This show is for entertainment and/or informational purposes only, and is not a substitute for medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. 「 GEAR PROVIDED BY 」 • BLUE MICS - Find your best sound at https://drdrew.com/blue • ELGATO - See how Elgato's lights transformed Dr. Drew's set: https://drdrew.com/sponsors/elgato/ 「 ABOUT DR. DREW 」 For over 30 years, Dr. Drew has answered questions and offered guidance to millions through popular shows like Celebrity Rehab (VH1), Dr. Drew On Call (HLN), Teen Mom OG (MTV), and the iconic radio show Loveline. Now, Dr. Drew is opening his phone lines to the world by streaming LIVE from his home studio. Watch all of Dr. Drew's latest shows at https://drdrew.tv Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Pretty much aware now about the stabbing deaths of the four college students. We thought we would

0:34.6

dig into that a little bit today with FBI Special Agent Jonathan

0:38.0

Gilliam. He has a great book called out Sheep No More. Love the title of that book. And it's

0:42.6

he, when I've spoken to him in the past, he has pounded that into my head that you cannot be

0:47.4

unprepared. Now he has some very interesting ideas about this patient, about this individual,

0:53.6

having been somewhat of a profiler himself, this Brian Koberger.

0:57.2

He believes that he may have killed before.

0:59.2

Jonathan grew up in the Ozarks and he graduated from University of Arkansas, served as an undercover agent for federal air marshals and also served in the FBI as a special agent in the New York City office crime and counterterrorism

1:11.7

squads. So we're going to hear his thoughts on this gruesome event. I know there's a lot of

1:16.6

sort of true crime folks following this one around. We're going to see if we can understand what

1:21.3

happened and what this, what this profile is of a guy that could commit such an awful thing.

1:27.2

Let's get right to it.

1:30.0

Our laws as it pertain to substances are draconian and bizarre. The psychopaths start this

1:35.4

he was an alcoholic because of social media and pornography, PTSD, love addiction,

1:40.3

fentanyl and heroin, ridiculous. I'm a doctor for a . I say, where the hell you think I learned that?

1:46.0

I'm just saying, you go to treatment before you kill people.

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I am a clinician. I observe things about these chemicals.

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