To delve further into the political implications of former President Trump's indictment, we

turn now to the analysis of Brooks and Tummelty.

That is, New York Times columnist David Brooks and Karen Tummelty, columnist for the Washington

Post.

Jonathan K. Part is away this week.

Welcome to you both.

It's good to see you.

Great to see you.

Let's begin with the biggest story.

Mr. Trump has been indicted.

Republican allies now have been continuing his lines of attacking the prosecution and

the prosecutor using some anti-Semitic dog whistles, also some racist undertones to

a lot of that.

David, they could say, you know what, innocent until proven guilty.

We believe in the justice system, but they're not saying that.

Why not?

Well, I guess, well, first, it's just a grave moment, and I'm struck by they're not,

they are not being struck by the gravity of the moment of a former President being indicted.

There's a good piece in persuasion on an online site that I enjoy looking at Trump's rhetoric

over the last seven years.

And if we recall when he came down the escalator, and even that first convention speech and

the inauguration of American carnage, it was mostly economic.

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