Well, this week brought us several major political stories, including the end of a controversial

border policy, former President Donald Trump found libel for sexual abuse and ongoing

negotiations over the debt ceiling.

To discuss all of this, we turn to the analysis of Brooks and K-PART, that is, New York

Times columnist David Brooks and Jonathan K-PART, associated atter for the Washington

Post.

Welcome to you both.

Good to see you.

We're talking about immigration once again.

This is back on the U.S. Southern border.

David, as you know, we saw from the report earlier, folks are saying, as Title 42 ends,

it's crowded, but not chaotic.

Still, numbers have been ticking up.

They're at very high daily averages, and as Secretary of America says, they continue

to work within the confines of a system that has been outdated and underfunded for years.

Did it have to be this way?

Well, given our political system, for sure.

Yeah, I mean, you know, I think a couple things.

One, I'm glad they're getting ready to title 42.

It's insane to have an immigration policy that really pretends to be a health care policy

or vice versa.

And basically, we have to define what asylum is.

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