Contentious confirmation hearings and confusing policy rollouts marked the second week of this Trump administration.

For insights into it all, we're joined by Brooks and K-Part. That is New York Times columnist David Brooks and Jonathan Kepard, Associate Editor of the Washington Post.

Great to see you both. A lot happened this week. The week began, for those of you who

are following along, with the introduction of this OMB memo, right, rescinding and rather saying

that some federal funds and grants had to be frozen. It was rescinded within 48 hours of being

issued after mass confusion about what exactly was impacted.

The week is ending with a lot of chaos and confusion around President Trump's tariff threats,

including against some of our allies like Canada and Mexico.

David, this is the second week of the Trump administration.

What are you taking away just from the scope of the way things have been messaged and rolled out this week?

We've already hit peak incompetence. So say the Trump administration... taking away just from the scope of the way things have been messaged and rolled out this week.

We've already hit peak incompetence.

So if, say, the Trump administration wants to defund DEI, fine, they ran on that, they can try to do that.

You find the DEI programs or any programs you don't like, and you target them and you say,

we're going to try to get rid of these programs.

But instead, they have a two-page memo to eliminate, allegedly,

what they call $3 trillion in federal spending. This is like trying to cure acne with decapitation.

Like, it's just massive. And it threw the whole country, universities, nonprofits,

government officials, into total chaos. And so it seems like nobody had the sense to say,

well, what would happen next if we threw out in two pages

with no clarity what's about to happen?

Well, of course the world's going to blow up at you.

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