From visits with heads of states to further restrictions on the press corps, we now turn to the analysis of Brooks and Capehart.

That is New York Times columnist David Brooks and Jonathan Capehart, associate editor for the Washington Post.

Great to see you both.

Hey, I'm not.

So you are both watching, of course, everything at the White House today in the meeting between President Trump and Zelensky.

We've talked about it a lot today, but I do want to play for you a little bit of the interview.

We know President Zelensky gave soon after that meeting.

He sat down with Fox News and Brett Baer, and Baer asked him if Zelensky thought that the public spat there served Ukraine in any way.

Here's what Zelensky said.

I mean, this is not good for both sides anyway. And I will, I very open, but I can't, you know,

change our Ukrainian attitude to Russian. And I don't want, they kill us for us.

You know, this is very, very clear that Americans are the best our friends.

Europeans are the best our friends.

And Putin with Russian, their enemies.

And it doesn't mean that we don't want peace.

We just want to recognize the reality.

Jonathan, what did you think when you were watching this unfold in the White House,

and what do you make of the way Zelensky is talking about it now?

I thought the low point for America on the world stage

was the Trump-Putin press conference in Helsinki in 2017, when the president of the United States sided

with the president of Russia

against his own national intelligence apparatus.

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