Well, here to discuss all the week's political news now is Brooks and Capehart. That is New York Times columnist David Brooks and Jonathan Capehart, Associate Editor of the Washington Post. Great to see you both. Let's jump in with the headline about Elon Musk we reported on earlier today. Today was his last day as a special government employee. We had that extraordinary press conference we reported on in the Oval Office.

And there are a lot of questions about what exactly he and his Doge team were able to do and

actually accomplished. Jonathan, when you look at this step back, this unprecedented chapter of a

private, unelected billionaire who had all of this power in the executive office, what do you think

the impact was? What did you get done?

Well, he got a lot done, but it wasn't anything good. I mean, I remember him running around the CPACs.

It was a CPAC with the chainsaw, but really he took a wrecking ball to the federal government,

just whacked through agencies and departments while at the same time

scooping up all of our private, all of our private data. And so he leaves Washington after

130-so days, leaving behind just the wreckage of what his Doge team has done.

David, how do you look at it? What's, what's his legacy

if we know that yet? Yeah, I'm not sure it was wreckage. There was records if you're at

NIH, there were records at certain agencies. But the guy only saved $65 billion out of a

multi-trillion dollar budget. So as a budget matter, you would not say he had a big effect. But he

did manage to destroy NIHAH and USAID.

And the USAID one is the one I haven't gotten over.

And so there's folks at Boston University who count.

How many people have died because of what Doge did at USAID?

And USAID was a very ill-managed organization.

That's true.

But according to the Boston University folks,

so far 55,000 adults have died of AIDS in the four months since Trump was elected.

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