Texas Ranger James Holland is a legendary interrogator.

They call him the serial killer Whisperer.

You can't hide those indications, and that's why yesterday I knew that you did it.

But now, shocking interrogation tapes reveal how the Super Cup really operates.

And that's why they asked me to come in because I'm special.

From something else, the Marshall Project and Sony Music Entertainment,

this is Smoke Screen. Just say you're sorry.

Subscribe on Apple Podcasts to binge all episodes now or listen weekly wherever you get your podcasts.

Thank you for listening to this podcast one production available on Apple Podcasts and podcast one.

This episode contains descriptions of violent crimes and sexual assaults.

Please listen with caution.

Over the past few years, it seems like there's been increased interest in cases of true crime.

If you're listening right now, I would guess that you've noticed.

I mean, I can't be the only one who's driven around the block a couple of times,

so I didn't have to pause an episode before it was over.

And everyone has that one friend who agreed to erase their browser history

if they're ever missing or incapacitated.

But what is it about these horrific tales that's compelling us to listen?

Personally, I listen to and talk about cases of true crime because I want to help people.

That's why I became a social worker and a therapist.

Sometimes though, the person who needs the most help is the one that's being overlooked.

When we talk about violent offenders, we frequently attach dehumanizing labels like monster or villain.

...