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To find out more, search Barclays communities. Hi, I'm Anush. I'm Alvo. And on today's new statesman podcast, we discuss what's happening in intensive care units and you ask us, how

should we speak about poverty?

We're recording the day after we hit a terrible milestone which was the record number of daily deaths and Boris Johnson warned yesterday that the NHS faces a very substantial risk of running out of intensive care beds.

Al that you've been writing about that this morning and you've spoken to some people who were on the

front line. What is the picture for the health service at the moment?

It was a kind of a tricky one to write about this morning because it's not very

cheering and also basically there's nothing that can be done about it immediately like we're watching this unfold but as we were talking about last week on the podcast

given the lag times the the pressure on hospitals at the

at the moment is something that we can try

to alleviate in a few weeks time

by changing our behavior at the moment

with the lockdown, but really as it

unfolds at the moment, we can really only just watch. But the point that I made in

morning call, which is a kind of tricky want to make, is that we've been talking a lot about the risk of the health service being overwhelmed and about how that's a sort of a non-negotiable red line for any government that

regardless of any sort of debate that you have about your pandemic response you can't allow your health service to run out of capacity.

Your health service needs to be able to provide care to everyone who needs it so at the point where that is at risk of no longer happening,

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