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Bring Me Home: (Pt 3) Deradicalising Shamima Begum

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🗓️ 25 November 2020

⏱️ 40 minutes

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Summary

Supreme Court judges are now deliberating on whether Begum should be allowed back to Britain to fight for her citizenship. But would happen if she did return? How does deradicalisation work and when can it go wrong?


All this week, Stories of our Times brings you a special series on Shamima Begum, and her fight to come home to Britain.


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Guests:

Tania Joya, former jihadist, former wife of senior Islamic State leader. 

Usama Hasan, research consultant, Tony Blair Institute for Global Change. 

Christopher Dean, psychologist; Senior Fellow, Global Centre for Cooperative Security.


Host: Manveen Rana. 

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0:00.0

May I have your attention please you can now book your train tickets on Uber and get

0:08.0

10% back in credits to spend on your next Uber ride so you don't have to walk home in the rain again.

0:16.5

Trains now on Uber. T's and C's apply. Check the Uber app. She was an ordinary school girl from Bethnal Green until one day in February 2015

0:37.6

when she and two of her school friends ran away to Syria to become jihadi brides.

0:44.0

Now, Shimima Begum lives in the crosshairs of controversy.

0:49.0

I say this to the people that are so keen on having these people back into the UK, let them live next door to you.

0:55.2

Earlier in this series, we heard from Antony Lloyd, the Times Foreign Correspondent, who found

1:01.3

Shimima Begum after the fall of Islamic State last year.

1:05.0

And we explored the Syrian camps where she's been detained.

1:09.0

It's pretty hard to control her and some of the women have got silenced pistols.

1:12.0

There are instances where

1:14.7

women have been murdered for failing to appear to Islamic State rules.

1:19.5

On Monday a Supreme Court hearing was told that Shimima Begum is still considered a threat

1:25.4

to this country. Lawyers for the Home Office have argued that a woman who left

1:30.0

London when she was a teenager to join the Islamic State group in Syria would pose a clear

1:35.3

and present threat if she were allowed to return to the UK.

1:39.5

As the Supreme Court now deliberates on whether Shimima Begum should be allowed back to Britain to fight for her citizenship.

1:46.0

We look at what would happen if she did return.

1:50.0

Prisons are breeding grounds for extremism.

1:53.5

And these radical jihadists have access to education,

1:58.9

they're not going to change.

2:00.7

Could de-radicalization be an option? Is it a process that actually works?

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