Welcome to the Bryan Biffini show. My name is David Lalliam, the producer of the show, and today I'm joined in studio by our host Bryan Biffini.

And it's good friend, JoniGo, and we're here to talk fatherhood. I'm a dad myself. I have a daughter and two sons. I'm no authority on the subject, but I have learned many things from great dads over the years, starting with my own. He's the man I respect most in life, and there are characteristics of his that I certainly hope to adopt with my own children.

But today I get to interview two great fathers who have between them raised 11 children all while having busy and full lives. So Bryan Biffini, JoniGo, welcome to your own show, Bryan. Welcome to the show, Joe.

Thank you.

11 kids, man, it actually sounds like a lot more when you hear 11, isn't it?

No, no doubt. No doubt.

The 18 and the Fab 5.

All right, well for the 18 and the Fab 5 dads, my first question is something every parent struggles with. How do we get good at saying no, and why is that so important?

You know, I always think from as a father, I always try to come from a position of love, and I think there's a difference between being a father and being a friend.

You know, a friend wants to make their friend happy and make them to give them what they want or give them what they need.

And you know, being a father of five boys, I look to either father first and their friend second.

So many times I have to say no to different music. They want to listen to different movies. They want to watch.

I personally, I'm like Bryan in many ways. I'm more concerned about my son's spiritual well-being and their emotional well-being that I am worried about physical harm being done to him.

So that's the approach I take. I say no to a lot of influences and negative influences, but on the other hand, I say yes to a lot of things as well.

How about you, Brian? I know we've talked about this at Lane.

For sure. Well, you know, we agree on so many things and we've had a lot of chats and you know, we're kind of on the back side of it, you know, my last high schoolers are graduating here this last month.

And I got kids from 27 all the way down to 18 and everything in between. And you know, Joe talked about I'm here to be a father, not a friend.

I think there's a big difference between parenting and pleasing. Our particular families are pretty athletic. So we're in a lot of sporting environments.

And you can see it played out right with a lot of people where it seems like a lot of folks in the modern parenting dynamic is more geared towards pleasing, not having anything bad happen, not dealing with any adversity.

People really creating a lot of anxiety for themselves as parents by trying to avoid anything that's a set back at all.

You know, it was interesting. I was on the driving range of the day. I had to play in a charity golf tournament, had knee surgery six months ago.

I haven't been playing so I've not embarrassed myself. I go to go and hit the ball.

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