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Welcome to the rest of history with me, Dominic Sandbrook and my psychic or my

Fuffin Master is equals himself Tom Holland. Tom hello. Hello, happy new year.

Happy new year. Now we are not yet at the new year, we are on Tisno.

So we are very exercised, aren't we, about the B word, the word that's been on

everybody's lips for the last five years or so, Brexit. And we don't know what's

going to happen, which is very exciting because our listeners will know, you'll

know when you're listening to this, but we don't know whether there will be a deal,

whether Britain will have forged manfully into its new future or whether

we'll be blocked up with lorries on the roads and disaster and all the rest of

it. So there's an element of sort of jeopardy, isn't it Tom? Very exciting. Very, very

exciting indeed. And I think it's been heroic of us so far in the episodes we've

done barely to mention Brexit because I guess in a way the argument's about it

whether you are in favour of leaving or remaining was always about history.

And yeah, you're right. They have always been about history. So that is what we

thought we might focus on today is the comparisons that people have made in

the debates over the past few years between the Brexit that we're going through

now. Yes. And previous examples of Brexit. And so, well, before we do that,

we should quickly say before you all turn off, we are not going to have any

degree of argument about or discussion about whether Brexit was a good thing

or a bad thing or why we did it or anything like that. Are we going to still

well clear of that and we're going to wear our historians hats very firmly

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