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This is Paul Adamson. I'm in conversation with David Miliband.

David Miliband is the chief executive of the International Rescue Committee and a former Foreign Secretary of the United Kingdom. David, here in New York, we're here to talk about three things.

Brexit of May, EU-US relations or even UK-US relations, and Europe's role in the world, if we

have enough time. We'll see how much we can squeeze in. So first of all, what is your, I'm not asking to predict maybe what's going to happen the next few weeks. It's been recorded in mid-September. But what do you think are the most

likely scenarios because it'll pan out in the next few weeks? Well, obviously, I don't know

what's going to happen. But I think we know that there are three or four possibilities. No

deal, the lunacy of no deal Deal can't be completely ruled out despite the good efforts in

Parliament but I think the chance of No Deal has receded.

We're meeting on the 14th of September.

It's important I think to emphasize that the term no deal has done no one any

favours because no deal actually means no relations between the UK and the European Union.

And that's why I think it's lunacy. But I think the chances have reduced. There's a chance

that Boris Johnson negotiates a new agreement with the European

Union, new perhaps in quotes, because it will bear a striking similarity to the old

agreement that he was, first of all, in favour of when he was in the cabinet, then was against

when he resigned from the cabinet, then was in favour of when he was in the cabinet, then was against when he resigned from

the cabinet, then was in favour of when he voted for Theresa May's deal after leaving the

cabinet and now is against. But we may well have a further handstand so that deal can't

be ruled out, especially if it was allied to a referendum.

I think that there's, you can't rule out that at all.

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