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and the British army and navy continues to occupy and hold the city of New York

and that would have been a really serious problem for creating the United States.

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Hello and welcome to the History Extra podcast.

I'm Rob Atar, the editor of BBC History magazine.

Late last year, we ran a piece in the magazine by the historian Dr Tom Cutterham of Birmingham University,

in which he talked about how the United States negotiated its independence from the British Empire

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