And so that's the funny thing going on in the Republican Party right now, is there's this game of

manufacturing the anti-establishment aura. Yep. But the thing on the inside of it is like about

as establishment as it gets. And I think that there is, there are a couple candidates, one in

particular who are the manifestation of that in the Republican Party right now.

Hey folks, welcome to the Dark Horse Podcast. I have the pleasure and honor of sitting this

morning with Vivek Ramaswamy. Did I pronounce your name correctly, Vivek? You nailed it actually.

I nailed it excellent. I was hoping that I would and I feel a bit of relief that having done so.

So let me say, I will give you more of a chance to say who you are and what we might want to talk

about, but up front, let's just say, you correct me if I'm wrong, you're a serial entrepreneur,

you have background in biotech and you are currently a candidate for the Republican nomination for

the presidency. That's correct. And you're also an author, I will say, you've written an excellent book

on how your perspective came to be. Anything else my audience should know? Yeah, I wrote,

it says, was that woking that you read? Yes. Yeah, good. I've written three books actually in the

last couple of years. Woking was the first of the three and I don't fashion myself as an author

or writer, but I happen to be a guy who's done some things that wrote some books along the way.

But the books definitely reflect my evolution of thinking in the last few years and got me to the

doorstep of where I am as the presidential candidate now. Wonderful. So let me give you a little bit

of perspective on what I think this conversation shouldn't tell. This, I've done a lot of thinking about

American politics and the presidency in particular. I think Americans misunderstand their own

electoral process and it has created a kind of reflex in them during election season that I

think is very unproductive. So what I see is that Americans spend a lot of time asking potential

presidential candidates to promise them things about policy. What will you do when you're in

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