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Brunei Brown says that our belonging to each other can't be lost, but it can be forgotten.

Her research has reminded the world in recent years of the uncomfortable life-giving link between vulnerability and courage.

Now she's turning her attention to how we walked into the crisis of our life together and how we can move beyond it,

with strong backs, soft fronts, and wild hearts.

I don't think when we're our best selves with each other, I don't think that's what's possible between people.

I believe that's what's true between people.

And I don't think we have to work to make it true between people.

I think we just have to get the stuff out of the way that's stopping it from happening.

I'm Christa Tippett and this is on-being.

Brunei Brown is a research professor at the University of Houston.

She consults widely with corporate, military, and athletic leaders.

And her TED talks have come into millions of homes as have her books, most recently, Dare to Lead.

We spoke in 2018 when she just published Braving the Wilderness.

One of the many reasons that you were reaches people is that you...

The things you write about and do your research on, you're also completely open about how they are things you struggle with.

And I think that often your research is a way for you to...

Is this very special way you have to delve into the things that you're navigating and that in fact we are all navigating.

That's true.

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