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Inside Briefing with the Institute for Government

Breaking Spad: is something rotten in the state of Johnson?

Inside Briefing with the Institute for Government

Institute for Government

News, Politics, Government

4.6252 Ratings

🗓️ 28 February 2020

⏱️ 40 minutes

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Summary

This week on the podcast that dispels the mysteries of government: Backroom squabbles, bullying and powergrabs — is the Johnson administration already tearing itself apart from within? We discover why Government should learn to love its Perm Secs and Spads.  Plus Tony Blair’s former political secretary turned strategy guru JOHN McTERNAN reveals untold tales of how to grease the wheels of government … and explains why Bernie Saunders will be the next US President. Ex-Business Secretary GREG CLARK on the future of British science and the government’s Coronavirus plans. And what’s in the newly-discovered Commons catacombs? “You can’t make hundreds of thousands of people march in one direction by shouting at one of them.” JOHN Hosted by Bronwen Maddox with Cath Haddon, Tim Durrant and Gavin Freeguard. Audio production by Alex Rees.  See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0

Hello, welcome to this week's episode of Inside Briefing, a podcast from the Institute for Government.

0:14.5

I'm Bronwyn Maddox. There have been reports, lots of them, that the Home Secretary has fallen out with the permanent secretary at the Home Office.

0:21.6

Stories too that the Prime Minister wants to fire two other permanent secretaries as well.

0:25.6

And allegations of bullying, again involving the Home Secretary, strenuously denied,

0:30.6

and a growing backlash against the government's treatment of its special advisors.

0:34.6

So is something rotten in the state of Johnson, or is this

0:37.9

just signs of a new administration in a hurry to get things done? This week, we're exploring

0:43.3

the relationships at the heart of government. We'll take a look at how top officials work with

0:47.5

their Secretary of State. What makes it work? What happens when it all goes wrong? What does it

0:51.8

say about the wider relationship between the civil

0:54.3

service and the elected politicians who lead those officials? And what about special advisors?

1:00.6

These politically appointed ministerial aides can have enormous influence, except over whether

1:05.1

they hang on to their own job. Should there be even more of them? We've got a terrific panel

1:10.1

to discuss all this.

1:11.5

Kath Haddon oversees our work on ministers, the Constitution and lots more.

1:15.3

Hi, Kaff.

1:15.8

Hello.

1:16.6

You look at the hidden underbelly of government,

1:18.9

and this week the Commons discovered actual hidden passageways.

1:22.5

What was that all about?

1:23.7

Yes, I don't know if they're doing tours or anything, because if so, I want to go. It was an old passageway that dates from the 17th century that was then blocked up in the 19th century, failed again in the 1950s and then lost, but they've discovered a keyhole in a panel and managed to break their way into this mysterious chamber. You haven't been down it yet.

1:43.9

No, like I said, I don't think they're doing tours, but if they are, I will be first on the list.

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