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Optimal Protein Podcast with Vanessa Spina

Breaking News: Big Changes to the Dietary Guidelines Coming & What It Means for Fat Loss, Muscle & Metabolism: Dr. Don Layman (Part 1 of 2)

Optimal Protein Podcast with Vanessa Spina

Vanessa Spina

Fitness, Health & Fitness, Nutrition

4.5 • 758 Ratings

🗓️ 28 July 2025

⏱️ 62 minutes

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This week on the Optimal Protein Podcast, I’m thrilled to be joined once again by Dr. Don Layman, one of the world’s foremost experts in protein metabolism and amino acid science. In this first part of our two-part conversation, we take a deep dive into the true definition of protein quality, the flaws of current scoring systems, and the metabolic significance of leucine as a primary trigger for muscle protein synthesis.

Dr. Layman also introduces the EAA-9 protein quality model, a new way of evaluating protein sources that takes into account the body’s exact essential amino acid requirements—moving beyond methods like PDCAAS.

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We also discuss:

  • Why protein quality should be defined by amino acid content, not nitrogen

  • How leucine “shows up in nature” in exact ratios that muscle recognizes

  • The four key signals muscle responds to: energy, leucine, insulin, and IGF-1

  • What activates and suppresses mTOR, and why AMPK shuts down MPS in low energy states

  • How protein turnover drives up to 20% of your resting metabolic rate

  • The concept of metabolic prioritization and what happens when your diet lacks adequate EAAs

  • Why the term “protein requirement” is misleading—and why we actually have amino acid requirements

  • Dr. Layman’s response to the 100 g of protein study on protein distribution 

  • A preview of what’s really happening during fat loss, and how muscle preservation strategies can make or break long-term success

This episode is a masterclass in muscle metabolism, protein science, and the tools you need to optimize your nutrition—especially for fat loss and body recomposition.

🎧 Stay tuned for Part 2 next week, where we explore updated USDA guidance, insulin’s role in MPS, essential amino acid supplementation, and Dr. Layman’s go-to blueprint for maintaining muscle in a calorie deficit.

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0:00.0

Welcome to the Optimal Protein Podcast. I'm Vanessa Spina.

0:05.5

Hello, my friends, and welcome back to the Optimal Protein Podcast. I'm your host, Vanessa,

0:10.8

and today I'm joined once again by Dr. Donald Lehman, one of the world's foremost experts on protein metabolism.

0:19.8

If you've been a longtime listener, you'll remember Dr.

0:23.3

Lehman from some of our most popular and critical episodes of this podcast as he discovered

0:29.4

things like the leucine threshold, the 30 gram of protein per meal recommendation, his research on muscle protein synthesis, and how to optimize

0:40.5

protein intake as we age. Now, today's episode is incredibly exciting because Dr. Lehman shared

0:47.1

some breaking news with me about protein recommendations and saturated fat and red meat and carbohydrate recommendations that may

0:57.8

or may not be seeing a huge shift when it comes to recommendations and guidelines in the

1:04.1

very near future.

1:05.2

Now, we kick off the podcast talking about this because it is so incredibly exciting and exhilarating. I still have

1:12.4

goosebumps from our conversation, just hearing about what might actually be coming in the next

1:19.0

several weeks to a month. And I kind of gave up hope at some point that there would be some

1:25.7

sort of top-down change. This protein movement

1:29.3

has really been more of a grassroots movement, a community, a cultural shift that has been

1:35.2

spurred on by incredible scientists like Dr. Don Lehman, his mentee, and my friend as well, Dr.

1:41.8

Gabriel Lyon, who is absolutely incredible, phenomenal. Now,

1:46.1

these incredible individuals, Dr. Don Lehman, Dr. Gabriel Lyon are world changers. They are changing

1:52.7

our world for the better. And it's just an incredibly exciting time to be alive. Now, on this

1:58.5

episode, we also dive into fat loss, protein timing, and

2:03.2

distribution. And I kind of changed my opinion a little bit on protein timing and

2:09.7

distribution based on my conversation with Don because it really does seem that once you're

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