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The evidence is gone, but the nightmare continues.

Welcome to Hidden Killers with Tony Bruske, featuring former prosecutor and defense attorney

Eric Fattis.

Let's go over to the defense of Richard Allen.

I know we'd be kind of arguing that along the way as we talk about the actual

prosecution. But yeah, those confessions are a big thing. And having that psychologist come in,

who wasn't talking to podcasters, who wasn't researching the case, who wasn't biased,

seemed to have a pretty solid, you know, explanation, a really solid background as well.

Who do you think probably read better to that jury?

The defense psychologist that talked about him or the one that, you know, had the tainted history?

Yeah, that's the thing, is the defense psychologist is more unassailable.

They didn't have the bias or apparent bias that the prosecution side did.

And on top of that, it was so critical to have that because, like I said, intuitively,

we think, hey, no one's going to confess to something they didn't do.

And I thought the defense psychologist did a good job of explaining in a digestible way how that could actually

happen after a series of horrible events that Richard Allen has been through. It's, yeah, I mean,

it's been very surprising to see just kind of how some of these things have played out. And what's

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