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Breaking Bell | Writer Jon Gertner discusses AT&T’s impact on technological innovation | 5

Business Movers

Wondery

History, Business, Entrepreneurship

4.81.5K Ratings

🗓️ 24 July 2025

⏱️ 56 minutes

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Summary

Journalist and author Jon Gertner explores the effects of AT&T’s monopoly and breakup on American telecommunications, and evaluates Bell Laboratories’ spectacular contribution to technological innovation.


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0:14.3

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0:15.0

The Wondry! It's the middle of 1982 at AT&T's headquarters in New York City.

0:33.6

Half a dozen suited men review documents laid out across every spare surface and 60-year-old chairman Charlie Brown's executive suite.

0:41.5

It's late and everyone is exhausted.

0:43.9

For the last few months, AT&T bosses have been working on a settlement deal that might end the federal antitrust lawsuit.

0:50.2

They have an agreement in principle, but working through the fine details is taking time.

0:55.5

Charlie looks over to a table covered in Chinese takeout boxes.

0:59.2

Hey, is there any low main left? I'm going to need something else if I'm going to get through the night.

1:04.0

AT&T attorney John Zeglis grabs a box and hands it to Charlie.

1:08.2

Now, you think we can return to the question of how many regional operating companies we should have after the breakup?

1:13.4

Well, why not 22 like there are now?

1:15.8

Well, the existing 22 are vastly different in scale.

1:19.0

We could consolidate the smaller ones and get about seven that are roughly the same size.

1:23.5

And how big would these seven be exactly?

1:25.8

Well, about 15 to 20 billion in assets each?

1:28.9

You think that's big enough to survive? Well, they'll have a tough time at the start, no doubt.

1:33.1

Rates will probably have to go up, and customers won't like that, of course. But frankly,

1:36.7

that won't be our problem. This is what the DOJ wanted after all. Well, I guess that makes

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