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Welcome back to the breakdown.

It is Wednesday, April 15th, and today I am joined by Ryan Selkis from Masari.

First, a little context for this conversation.

Last week, I spent a lot of the week and had a lot of my guests basically trying to argue that

there is no normal to go back to after this coronavirus crisis ends.

I think that's because, in part, the health issue is not just going to abate, even if we get it

under control. Getting it under control is going to involve

some serious changes to our habits in terms of masks, in terms of social distancing norms,

in terms of temperature checks in key buildings, in terms of contact tracing, all of these things

which make our day-to-day lives look fundamentally different. But also,

economically, there are so many things that are unlikely to just spring back to normal. On the most

base level, some businesses that have been out of work and out of business will go permanently

out of business because they just couldn't deal with this challenge, even with government

stimulus.

You also have more structural issues like changes to the way people work that won't easily

shift. So there are all these second and third order effects that basically means that there is

no normal to go back to. Now, over the last week, I've sensed this kind of resignation and fatigue even a little bit

with thinking about coronavirus as people accept that there is just this new normal, and they're

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