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BREAKDOWN: How Much Should We Fear Post-Crisis Debt or Inflation? Feat. Adam Tooze

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🗓️ 24 August 2020

⏱️ 60 minutes

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Summary

An economic historian and one of Foreign Policy’s “Top Global Thinkers of the Decade” discusses post-COVID-19 global economics and politics.

This episode is sponsored by Crypto.comBitstamp and Nexo.io.

Our guest today is Adam Tooze. Adam holds the Shelby Cullom Davis Chair of History at Columbia University and serves as director of its European Institute. He is known for his books “The Deluge: The Great War, America and the Remaking of the Global Order” and “Crashed: How a Decade of Financial Crises Changed the World.” 

In this conversation, he and NLW discuss:

  • Historical analogies for our present moment 
  • Federal Reserve policy and independence 
  • How much we should fear debt and inflation post-coronavirus 
  • How the economic and political crisis of 2020 has changed or reinforced the trajectory of the U.S., China and Europe
  • Why there is no such thing as the post-American era  


Find our guest online:

Website: Adamtooze.com

Twitter: @adam_tooze


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Transcript

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In a 1970s framework where you have powerful organized labor, inflation can actually be to the

0:05.3

benefit of working people because their wages are protected. They don't have very many savings,

0:10.3

certainly not savings in the form of nominal assets, which are subject to price erosion. And so

0:15.9

historically speaking, all the way back to the great inflation, say the Bima Republic,

0:20.0

inflations are a progressive

0:21.8

in the sense of the technical sense of progressive redistributive mechanism handling a very big

0:27.8

bill. So if you ask who paid for World War I, in the end, it was overwhelmingly middle class

0:32.8

and other middle class Germans who did not working class Germans because the inflation burns

0:37.1

off those people's

0:38.0

assets. That's one way of thinking about it so long as you do have large scale organized labor

0:42.9

to protect people's nominal incomes. If you don't, then of course the balance is much more difficult

0:47.8

to figure out and it's really a gamble on the possibility of indexing various types of income

0:53.3

streams so that those who are most vulnerable

0:55.8

are not profoundly damaged by rapidly rising costs of living, basically.

1:01.0

Welcome back to The Breakdown with me, NLW.

1:05.1

It's a daily podcast on macro, Bitcoin, and the big picture power shifts remaking our world.

1:11.0

The breakdown is sponsored by Crypto.com, BitStamp, and nexo.io, and produced and distributed by CoinDes.

1:20.1

What's going on, guys? It is Monday, August 24th, and today I am thrilled to share an interview with Adam 2's. Adam holds the Shelby Column

1:31.1

Davis Chair of History at Columbia University, where he also serves as the director of the

1:36.1

European Institute. He is an absolutely prolific writer constantly in the op-ed pages of

1:42.3

The Guardian and Foreign Policy, as well as being known

1:45.0

for his books The Deluge, The Great War, America, and the remaking of the Global Order,

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