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The World

Brazilians debate what democracy means for their country

The World

PRX

News, Lethaldissent

4.6884 Ratings

🗓️ 25 August 2025

⏱️ 49 minutes

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Summary

As Brazil’s former President Jair Bolsonaro remains under house arrest, Brazilians are debating what justice, accountability and democracy really mean. Also, South Korea's President Lee Jae-myung is in Washington for his first White House meeting with US President Donald Trump. And, tensions escalate as the US sends warships to waters off the coast of Venezuela and thousands of Venezuelans sign up to join the country’s civilian militia in response. Plus, Lithuania hosts a corgi competition, complete with costume contests, time trials and races.

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0:00.0

This is The World. I'm Carolyn Beeler. Thank you for being here on this Monday. Margo Werman has the day off.

0:06.0

We begin today's program in Brazil, where former president, Jaya Bolsonaro, is under house arrest for allegedly plotting to overturn the 2022 election.

0:15.9

His trial starts next week, and if he is found guilty, he could face up to 43 years in prison. Bolsonaro is

0:23.0

ideologically aligned with President Trump, who has imposed tariffs and sanctioned Brazilian

0:28.5

judges to try to help his ally. The courts are standing firm. The whole situation is putting

0:34.7

pressure on the country's fledgling democracy.

0:43.6

The world's Tibysa is in Brazil to get perspectives from the people most affected Brazilians themselves.

0:56.7

Every Sunday, Sao Paulo's main avenue, Avenida Paulista, turns into a car-free zone for bikes,

1:03.1

scooters and pedestrians. It's a space where people from all walks of life come together and where I stopped to ask some people what they think about the country's political moment.

1:16.6

I ask if they think former President Jaird Bolsonaro should be convicted.

1:24.1

I'm certain he'll be convicted, said Mauricio de Mello-Ribero. Not just him, but everyone who tried to plot a coup against Brazilian democracy, he said.

1:34.7

Our democracy is still a work in progress, he said.

1:40.6

And it's really important that we keep pushing to make it stronger.

1:44.8

He says he would totally support Bolsonaro's conviction.

1:49.3

Recent polls show that most Brazilians agree with him.

1:53.5

55% say Bolsonaro's trial is fair

1:57.0

and 39% believe he shouldn't be judged at all.

2:02.0

The trial has also sparked conversations about whose voices matter in Brazil's democracy.

2:13.2

On Avenida Paulista, a group of practitioners of Candonbleau religion gathers for a public ceremony.

2:21.3

Candonbleu is an Afro-Brazilian religion that has faced a lot of stigma, especially under Bolsonaro.

2:27.9

My name is Luciana Bispo.

2:30.0

Luciana Bispo is a black woman and a follower of the faith.

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