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Bovine Neuropathology (HEADBUTTING) with Nicole Ackermans

Ologies with Alie Ward

Alie Ward

Comedy, Science, Society & Culture

4.923.8K Ratings

🗓️ 13 January 2022

⏱️ 33 minutes

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Summary

Slamming heads together to impress someone: why does this happen? Let’s ask Dr. Nicole Ackermans, whose current job involves receiving sheep heads and painstakingly counting damaged neurons from headbutting concussions. The Neuropathology episode last week gives all the concussion basics, but this one turns the microscope away from accidents and points it right at intentional behaviors in nature, from bighorn sheep to musk oxen, goats, woodpeckers, and some other animals that will freak you out. Also: questionable helmet ideas and horny hogs.

Transcript

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0:00.0

Oh, hi, hey, it's still your brother-in-law who weighs his coffee beans, but in a cool way,

0:04.0

alleyward. And not only is this a day late, baby, but also this is the bonus episode that I promised

0:09.6

you last week. So what? I turned around the neuropathology episode on Concussions last week.

0:15.8

So fast, it just gave me additional whiplash. So I came to my senses and I said,

0:20.6

word, go back to bed. Sleep a little more. You bashed your skull and that's a great excuse.

0:25.5

Use it. So here is the crisp sunny follow-up episode about concussions about M-T-B-I, T-B-I-C-T-E

0:32.2

in the natural world in animals. And if you're like, I don't know what any of those acronyms are,

0:38.3

they don't make sense. And you're also like, wait, dude, you recently sustained a severe hospital

0:43.5

grade concussion, then you're going to want to beep, beep, mosey back to the neuropathology

0:48.5

episode from last week. It's a really, really great one. Lots of usides about why I ended up in an

0:53.6

ambulance a few weeks ago and consequently why this episode is two days late. T-B-I-C-Man, no joke.

0:59.7

So thisologist reached out after mine because she's a researcher in the field and in the lab. And

1:05.2

because severe neurological damage like CTE can only really be detected on autopsy. Thus,

1:11.9

it's a very controversial diagnosis in living people. A lot of folks butting heads about it. So she

1:17.8

studies butting heads about it in big corn sheep and musk oxen and all kinds of stuff. So she got

1:24.4

her undergrad degree in the biology of organisms, populations and ecosystems in France. She went to

1:30.4

Antwerp and Vienna for her masters in comparative vertebrate morphology. And then went and got a ding-ding

1:38.4

doctorate in evolutionary biology and Zurich studying tooth wear on animals. And we recorded

1:44.5

this a week or so ago and she was rounding out her postdoc in the lab of your favorite functional

1:50.8

morphologist, Dr. Joy Ridenberg, I'm out in Sinai in New York City. Great episode. I'll link it on

1:56.0

my website. But her postdoc is wrapping up. So use the links in the show notes to also reach out to

2:01.3

her if you are hiring someone rad because she is. You can also use the links in the show notes

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