And welcome back to the Wolverine podcast. I'm John Borden. We are here with Tom Crawford.

He's a guy that is based out of East Lansing, Michigan. You know him, big Michigan guy.

Tough, tough place to be these days. I'm thinking about moving. I'm thinking about moving. Seriously.

I mean, seriously.

Well, I mean, for, okay. Seriously. Wow. I mean, it's for, for doing the, uh, press pass, uh, with one RICO beard alone these days,

that's worth a purple heart, I would think.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Combat pay.

Definitely.

Yeah.

It's, uh, it's interesting.

You know, we've, we've taken it, uh, this rivalry, Michigan, Michigan State, you know, all in good nature, ribbing and things of that nature, for the most part. It's getting a little more personal in the Dantonio era. Now it's at that toxic level and some of the things that have come out in the last couple of days. I mean, I hope this thing comes to a culmination in terms of some type of a statement

from being our police department or the Big Ten Conference.

When you just go dark on it in terms of any communication,

then things just fester even more.

That's my feeling.

Yeah, there's no doubt about it.

I mean, and we got this development today.

You see this attorney for, you know, on the Michigan State side of things,

charging that it was a Michigan player, in fact started this and it's just I mean it's

filled with very unprofessional language in my opinion oh my god I said to myself this is

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