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Undiscovered

Born This Gay

Undiscovered

Science Friday and WNYC Studios

Wnyc, Society & Culture, 805813, Science, History, Friday, Studios

4.6 • 768 Ratings

🗓️ 23 May 2017

⏱️ 33 minutes

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Summary

At the turn of the 20th century, a German doctor sets out to prove that homosexuality is rooted in biology—but his research has consequences he never intended. In pre-Nazi Germany, a doctor named Magnus Hirschfeld sets out to take down Paragraph 175, a law against “unnatural fornication” between men. Hirschfeld’s plan is to scientifically prove that homosexuality is natural, and that lesbians and gay men might be born gay—but his idea ends up falling into the wrong hands.  Party at the Institute for Sexual Science. Magnus Hirschfeld (second from right) is the one with the moustache and glasses. His partner Karl Giese is holding his hand. (United States Holocaust Memorial Museum)   German students parade in front of the Institute for Sexual Research prior to their raid on the building. The students occupied and pillaged the Institute, then confiscated the Institute's books and periodicals for burning. (United States Holocaust Memorial Museum)   German students and Nazi SA plunder the library of Dr. Magnus Hirschfeld. The materials were loaded onto trucks and carted away for burning. The public library of the Institute comprised approximately 10,000 mostly rare German and foreign books on the topics of sex and gender. (United States Holocaust Memorial Museum)   (Original art by Claire Merchlinsky)   GUESTS Robert Beachy is the author of Gay Berlin: Birthplace of a Modern Identity. Ralf Dose is the co-founder of the Magnus Hirschfeld Society and author of Magnus Hirschfeld: The Origins of the Gay Liberation Movement. Edward Stein is the author of the The Mismeasure of Desire: The Science, Theory, and Ethics of Sexual Orientation.   FOOTNOTES Read (in German) Sappho And Socrates, a booklet Magnus Hirschfeld published under a pseudonym in 1896, defending homosexuality. Read Magnus Hirschfeld’s grand opus, "The Homosexuality of Men and Women." Modern studies: A BBC article about the first study correlating finger length ratios and sexual orientation. A meta-analysis of finger length ratios and sexual orientation. These studies looked at finger length ratios in transgender men and women, with conflicting results. Dean Hamer’s X chromosome linkage study (abstract only) and a Science article about a more recent chromosome linkage study. Simon LeVay’s study comparing brains of gay men with men and women who were presumed straight. Bailey and Pillard’s original study of gay male twins. A later study by Bailey et al. found lower rates of matching sexual orientation in twins and concluded that earlier studies rates were “inflated because of concordance-dependent ascertainment bias.” Study of epigenetic markers in gay men, criticized for its statistics.   CREDITS This episode of Undiscovered was reported and produced by Elah Feder and Annie Minoff. Editing by Christopher Intagliata. Fact-checking help from Michelle Harris. Original music by Daniel Peterschmidt. Our theme music is by I am Robot and Proud. Art for this episode by Claire Merchlinsky. Special thanks this week to Liat Fishman for translation from German, Shane McMillan for production help in Berlin, to Tobias Enzenhofer and Charles Bergquist for voice work. Thanks to Science Friday’s Danielle Dana, Christian Skotte, Brandon Echter, and Rachel Bouton.

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0:00.0

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0:09.6

I'm Annie, and I'm Ella, and this is Undiscovered, a podcast about the backstories of science.

0:18.3

So I'm about to tell my mom, I'm excited and nervous.

0:23.6

I mean, I'm already sure that she knows.

0:25.6

Annie, I've been making you watch a lot of these videos.

0:28.6

Yeah, it's been kind of heavy.

0:30.6

So what we're watching is that this kid, he's talking into the camera,

0:34.6

and he's really nervous because he's about to come out to his mother.

0:38.8

Oh, we're recording this?

0:40.0

He invites her into the bedroom, they take a seat on the bed, and then he tells her.

0:44.8

Yeah, I like guys.

0:48.3

Okay.

0:49.3

So these coming out videos, it's kind of a thing on YouTube, as it turns out, kids recording themselves

0:54.4

as they come out to their friends or family.

0:57.0

Hi, Nanny.

0:58.0

Hey, darling.

0:59.0

How are you?

1:01.0

Most of the time in these videos, the family takes it in stride, like Chrissy's grandma.

1:06.0

You know, Brea, she and I, I think you know, but we're together.

1:10.0

We're in a relationship. Yeah.

1:11.6

And I'm gay.

1:14.6

All right.

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