We have this young president, Juan Guaido, who now, you know, has 60% of popularity in the country, and people trust him for now.

Hi, I'm Ian Bremmer, and welcome to the GZero World Podcast.

It's an audio version of what you can find on public television, where I analyze global

topics, sit down with big guests, and make use of little puppets.

This week, I sit down with Moises Naim, an internationally syndicated columnist who used

to run Foreign Policy Magazine and was also a senior government official in Venezuela in the 1990s.

Not now, thankfully.

Today we'll talk about the ongoing crisis in Venezuela, Latin America more broadly, and how he sees power shifting around the world.

Let's get to it.

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Moist's name, distinguished fellow at the Carnegie Endowment of International Peace, well-known to author, new novelist, though we're not going to talk about that at all.

Still going to be with you.

Thanks for having me again, and it's always a pleasure chatting with you.

I mean, so much talk to you about Latin America, usually a part of the world that's a little bit quiet in the headlines, but absolutely not now. And particularly in Venezuela, where you, for your sins, were actually

in cabinet back in the 90s, thankfully not now. Yeah, the challenge is huge. And people pay attention

to the political situation and the difficulties and all of that and the huge corruption of the Maduro government.

But the story that is central there is that this is the largest economic collapse in history.

There are no precedence to this.

And all of this is driven by the fact that the

productive capacity has been destroyed. The domestic industry that's for most sectors is very, very tiny now.

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