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Origin Story

Boomers: You never had it so good

Origin Story

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Society & Culture, News, News Commentary, History

4.8655 Ratings

🗓️ 30 October 2023

⏱️ 79 minutes

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Summary

This week, Dorian Lynskey and Ian Dunt look at the most powerful and divisive generational cohort of them all: boomers. The people born between 1946 and 1964 have been credited, and blamed, for creating the world we live in. They’re the 60s generation, the Me generation, the Reagan generation and the Third Way generation. Where they lead, the world follows. Now that most of them have passed the age of 60, they are allegedly at war with millennials over their legacy: OK, boomer. But does it really make sense to generalise about a cohort which extends from Dolly Parton to Donald Trump, and Theresa May to Prince? And what is a generation anyway? Ian (early millennial) and Dorian (late Gen X) discuss the roots of generation theory, track the boomers’ rise to power and assess the charges that boomers and millennials throw at each other across the divide. Is the generation gap bigger than ever or a phoney war cooked up by politicians and the media? Reading list Books: Helen Andrews — Boomers: The Men and Women Who Promised Freedom and Delivered Disaster, 2020 Jennie Bristow — Baby Boomers and Generational Conflict, 2015 Bobby Duffy — The Generation Divide: Why We Can’t Agree and Why We Should, 2021 Jill Filipovic — OK Boomer, Let’s Talk: How My Generation Got Left Behind, 2020 Bruce Cannon Gibney — A Generation of Sociopaths: How the Baby Boomers Betrayed America, 2017 Landon Y Jones — Great Expectations: America and the Baby Boom Generation, 1980 Joseph Sternberg — Theft of a Decade: Baby Boomers, Millennials, and the Distortion of Our Economy, 2019 William Strauss and Neil Howe — Generations: The History of America’s Future 1584 to 2069, 1991 Jean M Twenge — Generations: The Real Differences Between Gen Z, Millennials, Gen X, Boomers, and Silent — and What They Mean for the Future, 2023 David Willetts — The Pinch: How the Baby Boomers Took Their Children's Future — And Why They Should Give It Back, 2010 Online: Karl Mannheim — ‘The Problem of Generations’, 1928 https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwjln8-IiteBAxU2XUEAHcSICu4QFnoECA4QAw&url=https%3A%2F%2Fmarcuse.faculty.history.ucsb.edu%2Fclasses%2F201%2Farticles%2F27MannheimGenerations.pdf&usg=AOvVaw37Wl_dRsSZ_rDdODQ0fMbd&opi=89978449 Richard Lorber and Ernest Fladell — ‘The Generation Gap’, Life, 1968 https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=BVUEAAAAMBAJ&pg=PA81&source=gbs_toc_r&cad=2#v=onepage&q&f=false Neil Howe and William Strauss, ‘The New Generation Gap’, The Atlantic, 1992 https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/1992/12/the-new-generation-gap/536934/ Louis Menand — ‘It’s Time to Stop Talking about “Generations”’, The New Yorker, 2021 https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2021/10/18/its-time-to-stop-talking-about-generations Justin E Smith — ‘My Generation’, Harper’s, 2023 https://harpers.org/archive/2023/09/my-generation/ Written and presented by Dorian Lynskey and Ian Dunt. Audio production by Simon Williams. Music by Jade Bailey. Logo art by Mischa Welsh. Lead Producer is Anne-Marie Luff. Group Editor: Andrew Harrison. Origin Story is a Podmasters production. https://twitter.com/OriginStorycast   Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0

Hello and welcome to origin story. In each episode we take a word, idea or figure from history,

0:13.5

explain its origins and talk about how it influences political discourse today. I'm Doreen

0:18.3

Linsky, author of 33 revolutions per minute and the Ministry of Truth.

0:21.7

And my name is Ian Dunt. I am the author of How Westminster Works and Why It Doesn't, and I'm a columnist

0:25.6

with the Iron newspaper. Today we are talking about baby boomers and the concept of generations

0:30.4

in general. Ian, I think this was my idea. It was. Okay, so that's because I noticed this very

0:37.3

crude binary of boomers

0:38.5

versus millennials seem to have escalated in recent years and got me thinking about, well, like, how do we,

0:44.6

what is the history of identifying, naming, caricaturing generations, how it's developed,

0:51.4

is it useful, is it just nonsense? Does it depend how you use it?

0:55.7

What grabs you about this topic? I just was trying to understand the deep, psychological and

1:01.6

spiritual differences between us. You as a sort of withering Gen X holdout and me as a youthful,

1:09.1

dynamic millennial.

1:13.4

I want to say, I'm a late Gen X.

1:15.6

You were an early millennial.

1:21.1

I could not, by any stretch of biology or law, be your father.

1:22.2

I just want to make that clear.

1:24.6

Great.

1:25.9

So we've done the anti-Star Wars.

1:27.8

I mean, in a way, that's quite reassuring to me.

1:32.9

So there was no OED in the first two episodes about Jordan Peterson.

1:43.2

Sure. But it's back, back, back. Now, the phrase baby boom appears earlier as 1945 in reference to maternity hospitals.

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