BOOK TITLE: The Decisive Decade: American Grand Strategy for Triumph over China AUTHOR: Jonathan DT Ward HEADLINE: The Second Great Divergence: Democracies vs. Dictatorships in the Economic Battleground
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🗓️ 8 September 2025
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Jonathan DT Ward introduces the "second great divergence" as an opportunity for democracies to economically surpass dictatorships like China and Russia. This involves seizing the Fourth Industrial Revolution and denying economic advantages to adversaries. China's economic strategies aim to achieve global preeminence, but the US and its allies can counter this by leveraging their collective economic power, rebuilding industrial bases, and competing effectively in the emerging world.
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| 0:31.1 | This is CBSI on the world. I'm John Batchel with Jonathan D.T. Ward. The book is The Decisive Decade, American Grand Strategy for Triumph over China. I've been emphasizing the Chinese |
| 0:37.3 | point of view because it's a fascination and it's |
| 0:39.6 | non-transparent. |
| 0:41.2 | Jonathan's book also involves the American point of view and what needs to be done. |
| 0:46.5 | He's touched on many of these items before, but it's worth repeating some of them. |
| 0:51.4 | The one I go to immediately, Arsenal of Democracy. I've always loved that |
| 0:55.3 | term, Jonathan. Secure Allied supply chain and a new arsenal of democracy. Since February 24, |
| 1:02.4 | 2022, the arsenal looks half empty, maybe fully empty. What needs to be done, Jonathan? |
| 1:10.0 | Well, we're going to need to rebuild our industrial |
| 1:12.0 | base. I mean, that's the, I think, the most, one of the most significant elements of this |
| 1:17.4 | contest. I mean, in the Second World War, for example, we were nearly three times the size of the |
| 1:23.4 | combined industrial output of Germany and Japan together during the 1930s. And today, you know, |
| 1:29.4 | we're about 15% of world manufacturing, but China is 30% of world manufacturing. So not only are we, |
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