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Perpetual Chess Podcast

Book Recap #36- The King: Chess Pieces by GM Jan Hein Donner (with Dirk Jan ten Geuzendam)

Perpetual Chess Podcast

Perpetual Chess LLC

Sports, Leisure, Hobbies

4.8 • 678 Ratings

🗓️ 31 May 2024

⏱️ 74 minutes

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Summary

The Perpetual Chess Book Review series, Chess Books Recaptured is finally back! I am honored to be joined by renowned author and chess journalist Dirk Jan ten Geuzendam to discuss GM Jan Hein Donner’s The King: Chess Pieces. The book is widely considered a 20th century classic and has been recommended by the likes of GMs Peter Svidler and Jan Gustafsson. It is a compilation of chess columns from a 3-time Dutch national champion, who spanned the chess generations between Max Euwe and Jan Timman. Donner is a brilliant, prescient and provocative writer who chronicles his own career, and also opines as the careers of Fischer, Spassky, Tal and others unfold in his proximity. Reading The King is a fun way to retrace 20th-century chess history, and the life and career of Donner. But, in my opinion, the book is not without its flaws. Donner’s writing is sometimes offensive, particularly when he bombastically shares his views about women in chess. I was grateful to have Dirk Jan help me discern whether Donner was being sarcastic in some of his more scathing columns. After we finish discussing the book, I chat with Dirk Jan a bit about his current projects, and his work on New in Chess’ excellent new podcast. Timestamps of topics discussed are below.  0:00- Thanks to our sponsor, Chessable.com! If you sign up for Chessable Pro in order to unlock discounts and additional features, be sure to use the following link: https://www.chessable.com/pro/?utm_source=affiliate&utm_medium=benjohnson&utm_campaign=pro 0:02- What is Dirk Jan ten Geuzendam’s personal history with The King and with its author, GM Jan Hein Donner?  Mentioned: Dutch novelist Harry Mulisch 0:09- How is the English edition of The King, connected to the history of New in Chess publishing? Mentioned: Allard Hoogland, Taylor Kingston’s review of the 1997 edition of The King: https://www.chesscafe.com/text/donner.txt 12:00- We discuss Donner’s personal life, including the one, short-lived, real job that he had at IBM.  Mentioned:  Hein Donner: The Biography by Alexander Munninghoff  18:00- Some of Donner’s most famous writing is very sexist- how was it viewed at the time?  Mentioned: GM Jan Gustafsson  23:00- Did Dirk Jan work directly with Richard de Weger, the book’s translator?  24:00- Likes and dislikes from the book, starting with his acquaintance with Donner’s beautiful reflections on Fischer and Spassky.  Mentioned: Richard James’ review of Hein Donner, The Biography: https://britishchessnews.com/2020/08/07/hein-donner-the-biography/ 42:00- What was Donner’s opinion of legendary Dutch World Champion, Dr. Max Euwe?  43:00- What did Donner mean by his famous quote “Chess is a game of chance?” We also discuss a few other memorable quotes.  48:00- Was Donner being sarcastic when he wrote at length that “women cannot play chess”?  54:00- Why is Donner’s rivalry and demeaning writing about Dutch champion Lodewijk Prins, such a famous part of Dutch chess history?  Mentioned: GM Ben FInegold’s video on Donner: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GXqpyLUt6mM 59:00- Closing thoughts on The King 1:03:00- Dirk’s thoughts on the Candidates and his other current big project Mentioned: The Real Paul Morphy by FM Charles Hertan, Games and Goals  1:08:00- How is Dirk Jan enjoying podcasting? Mentioned: New in Chess Podcast: https://open.spotify.com/show/2Mj990NfwvaOh4GCKWLMJ7?si=2ec5f58435f44686 Episode 207 with Dirk Jan ten Geuzendam  Thanks to Dirk Jan for sharing his knowledge and experiences with this book! Be sure to sub to the New in Chess Podcast!  https://open.spotify.com/show/2Mj990NfwvaOh4GCKWLMJ7?si=eb1eca7173d44ae2 If you would like to help support Perpetual Chess via Patreon, you can do so here:  https://www.patreon.com/perpetualchess Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0

Hello, everyone, and welcome back to the possibly anticipated return of chessbooks recaptured.

0:10.2

We are here to discuss a classic chess book, one that I had long needed to read,

0:14.3

and we have the perfect person to discuss it with who I will introduce in a moment.

0:18.6

First, wanted to give thanks, as always, to our sponsors, chescible.com.

0:22.0

The book we're going to discuss today probably won't help your chess game.

0:25.4

But if you do want to work on your chess game, you guys should know by now that Chesable

0:29.1

is the place to go with a huge library of opening courses, middle games, end games, tactics,

0:33.8

whatever it may be.

0:34.8

And if you sign up for Chessable Pro, please use the link in the description

0:38.4

to show them that you came from the perpetual chess pot. So this week's or this months or this

0:45.3

year's book recap is to discuss a classic Dutch book, which has been brought to the English

0:51.3

language in recent decades.

0:59.9

And it was probably first on my list of books that I felt like I should have read and had not read.

1:02.0

So this is the perfect forum to do it.

1:06.2

And here to discuss it is someone who has a personal history with the author and with the book.

1:10.1

He is an accomplished journalist, an author and commentator.

1:13.7

He has been with the New and Chess Magazine since 1985 and is now often hosting the New and Chess podcast,

1:17.4

which is a welcome addition to the podcast offerings.

1:20.8

I've been loving listening to it,

1:22.3

and I am pleased to welcome back to the program,

1:24.6

Dirkian ten Guzendom. Welcome, Derk.

1:26.7

Thank you, Ben. Thank you, Ben. Great to be

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